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Posted: **Sat Dec 15, 2007 8:06 am**

"I also see the 'americanisation' of Christmas over here."

of course, i take it you know who gave him that silly red costume?

Posted: **Sat Dec 15, 2007 9:09 am**

http://beyondtheblog.wordpress.com/2007 ... christmas/

Posted: **Sun Dec 16, 2007 12:16 pm**

"It has got those beautiful christmas colours, there's a sweet little santa claus
in the middle. So what the heck is wrong with my new logo?"

"You are waring a full beard."

Posted: **Sun Dec 16, 2007 12:48 pm**

traditionally, christmas was the time that the poor rioted and burned the well-to-do's neighborhoods, at least as much as possible. in fact, the holiday celebration was banned in NYC at one point and "stille nacht" was written to try and convince the rabble to make christmas a family holiday instead of a beg for money, food, and alchohol and then riot day.....

the "current "traditional" christmas is the fesitval of Tammuz(or Horus), son of Semaramis(or Astarte or Ishtar or Isis). in fact the "christmas tree" is traditionally a "Tammuz tree"......

and Astarte or Ishtar? Easter is named after her.....

Posted: **Sun Dec 16, 2007 1:07 pm**

garyb wrote:... in fact the "christmas tree" is traditionally a "Tammuz tree"....

cool - in fact the name of that tree in german is Tannenbaum
(the 'baum' syllabe means 'tree')

interesting, Tom

Posted: **Sun Dec 16, 2007 6:38 pm**

stardust wrote: And also the agnostics enjoy the mystic feelings of Halloween and Santa.

even Bingo?

Posted: **Sun Dec 16, 2007 6:47 pm**

stardust wrote:As to the 'pagan' historic relations:

the midwinter and the Rauhnaechte have been either sun rebirth festivals or similar to the celtic samhain around 1st Nov the time where the doors to the realms of the spirits (Otherrealms) were open.

There are lots of such habits embedded in the christian rituals nowadays.
And also the agnostics enjoy the mystic feelings of Halloween and Santa.

those celtic(which have their roots in germanic, bohemian culture. celtic poeople come from bohemia...) and other sun festivals are the same festivals the sumerians, babylonians, egyptians, greeks and romans celebrated. humans are nortoriously bad innovaters. rituals and lore are just updated for each "new" civilization....

traditionally, Tammuz was born on or about Dec. 25th. Jesus was not....

Posted: **Mon Dec 17, 2007 2:17 pm**

whatever, celts claim bohemian lineage and the bagpipe certainly bears them out, so does mitachondrial dna...

...and the religions are the same regardless of the romance involved or the age.

Posted: **Mon Dec 17, 2007 11:54 pm**

that's not religion until you worship those things.
theories about how these things start is one thing, but not necessarily what happened. if the San people hadn't been wiped out by city life after the fall of apartheid, you could have witnessed the genuine stoneage religion lived by the original stoneage people in the world...