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I want to use xtc plugins in protools LE. SO i bought vst to rtas wrapper from fxpansion. But the configurator does not want to convert the xtc plugins. I've installed them in the vst folder of the wrapper. He seems the files but doesn't convert. anyone who's got experience with this?

So i asked about it in the fxpansion forum

http://www.kvr-vst.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=35004

The only difference between Powercore, UAD-1 and XTC is that the XTC stuff is a whole lot buggier

They may work, but we are not going to support them officially.

After some research i found out more about agnus disliking the sfp and xtc system. I really wonder why creamware lists fxpansion on their 3rd party links


<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: mecanoiz on 2004-02-23 09:22 ]</font>

They used to make SFP(or Pulsar???) plugins.

On 2004-02-17 14:39, mecanoiz wrote:
I want to use xtc plugins in protools LE. SO i bought vst to rtas wrapper from fxpansion.

If I were you I would ask first if the wrapper works with XTC (yes, XTC not VST plugins). VST by default is something working natively so I would first think the plugs won't work via FXPansion wrapper. Besides Angus somehow doesn't like the platform (SFP).

To make XTC plugins work in ProTools LE, there has to be a kind of XTC integration in Pro Tools DAE (Digidesign Audio Engine). Cubase and other VST applications use the ASIO audio engine and operate the VST plugins Natively. In addition to the VST, the XTC plugins not only use the VST audio engine but also its own hardware based engine that cooperates with the VST engine through the SCOPE ASIO DRIVER. This means that the SCOPE ASIO driver MUST be used to run the XTC plugins.
Digidesign doesn't use VST and ASIO as the base of their software, they use DAE. DAE doesn't use the SCOPE ASIO DRIVER, in fact it doesn't use ASIO at all. That way the cooperation between the audio engine of ProTools and the Creamware hardware can't be established, unless Digidesign releases an update to their software.
Why would Digidesign make an update so that Creamware's hardware works with Pro Tools LE? If that was so, everybody could afford a DSP based ProTools system with Creamware's DSPs instead of the ProTools HD cards that are far more expensive.
My opinion is that there will never be an XTC integration in ProTools or a patch to make it work.
The bottom line is that VST plugins can be translated into RTAS, it is pure native code. XTC plugins will never open in ProTools.

It's not a question of Angus not liking the SFP system. I know Angus personally, and I know that he has several Pulsar cards, and likes their sound. However you have to understand that for many developers who like to have total control over their software, the SFP platform is not a great option. Some reasons for this include:

- It is next to impossible to get custom tools and code from Creamware in order to get certain functionality working, which is comparitively very easy to code in C++

- It is very hard to have good control over protection and marketing outside of using the Creamware shop, which costs quite a lot to a developer to use

- The user-base is pretty small in the greater scheme of things


It's true that FXpansion released some Pulsar versions of their 'Series One' plugins. However, the development was NOT done in-house - it was sub-contracted to Obsidian (Guy Eastwood) who has long since left the Pulsar development scene. Therefore it is not possible to update the plugins. FXpansion does not have a development kit and, in any case, most of the plugins use custom DSP atoms programmed by Guy Eastwood to which FXpansion does not own the rights.

Regarding the VST-RTAS adapter, I think you should really have checked with FXpansion for their stance on support before you bought it. If it does not work, it does not work for a reason (buggy functionality) - it is hard enough for many people to get XTC working satisfactorily just within a normal VST host, let alone within a wrapping technology.

In any case, as a ProTools user, I'm sure the adapter is useful to you anyway, even outside of XTC usage?

eye-q

as far as i know
number of ppl use so called xtc cards
which do not have onboard I/Os
with other cards, like RME or M-Audio providing ASIO.
AFAIK (of course i can be wrong) XTC is just about connectivity between VST and cards DSPs.
which doesn't change teh fact that it works rather whimsical...
i could not get it to work in satisfying way, yet number of people is perfectly happy with it.

hi

we need guy eastwood

On 2004-04-13 14:58, Michu wrote:
eye-q

as far as i know
number of ppl use so called xtc cards
which do not have onboard I/Os
with other cards, like RME or M-Audio providing ASIO.
AFAIK (of course i can be wrong) XTC is just about connectivity between VST and cards DSPs.
which doesn't change teh fact that it works rather whimsical...
i could not get it to work in satisfying way, yet number of people is perfectly happy with it.

I have never tried using CWA hardware with other cards like RME MOTU etc but, if you do, i think you still need to use the CWA ASIO driver. How else could you change the ASIO/ULLI settings for the Creamware card if you run Cubase with a different ASIO driver? I think that every time you load an XTC plugin, there is a tiny little program running in the background that somekind does an SFP emulation. My opinion is that that is only compatible to programs using the SCOPE ASIO. But I could also be wrong...