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Hi all,

Well lets see, as you prob know, I have a Scope Pro and my current seuqncer is Nuendo 2 aswell as I own SX1.6, as of late I have been doing alot of audio editing, I still do a ton of midi, but my new means of work flow is to compose with midi, export the tracks and then mix down all audio at the end.

Nuendo is a pretty spiffy app and certainly not an inexpesive one, but I have been curious about more powerfull audio editiors, at 1st I started looking at Vegas as I have seen this app in action and its pretty damn nice on the editing front, but the fact its a DX only platform unless I use a wrapper puts me off, so I just checked out the Samp 7 download, this app sounds spectacular, it confused the hell out of me having a Logic/Cubase/Nuendo background but thats just a learning curve thing.

I really liked how the actual arangment window is basically the audio editor, it just seems to have the powerfull aura too it lol, the only major downside about version 7 is the non existance of rewire support and the weak midi editing, but then I started hearing about the new version 8 due out this month?

It seems version 8 is supposed to have a massivly overhauled midi solution aswell as full rewire support. I would certainly hate to have to use Nuendo for midi and then load all my files into samplitude to mix and edit, I like a one stop shop which basically Nuendo is and has served me very well, but samplitude seems to have a smoother work flow in the audio world, if they can pull off its midi implementation it might just rock

Sonically speaking, there seems to be a consensus that it sounds everybit as good as Nuendo, though some samp users feel it sounds better, who know, for me I just want an amazing editior, Nuendo is awesome, but steinberg pretty much sucks, especially with all their leapfrogging on features.

So now I am wondering what users of samp think about the tool and what you know about the upcoming version 8 release? I can get a crossgrade for around USD $400.00 which is not a whole lot for samp pro 7 and get a free upgrade to version 8 since its out so soon.

Also, how does the mixer routing integrate with SFP? Nuendo is pretty damn easy just open up the bussing page and add/remove as needed and then in the mixer you can just choose from the drop down on each channel which out/input you want selected.

All in all, I am very curious about this app, I hope they can really pull off better VST support, add rewire and come though on real midi editing support like, controler lanes and all and it might be a great app to use with a Scope system.

Your thoughts are greatly appreciated.

Cheers!

Edit: Just found this link, the screens look pretty nice and shows alot of whats too come I hope http://samplitude-sequoia1.magix.net/

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Basic Pitch on 2004-07-20 00:18 ]</font>

hi
frankly it's a matter of taste but I find samplitude far superior to nuendo but maybe not as simple .
the thing I like a lot it's the object oriented mixing ; on the same track you can have many part with for each diferrent non destructive FX/routing etc ..
i find this soft so deep ! i discover new thing every day . each time I'm saying it could be cool if samplitude could do **** . then I looking for a little and I find a function that do the ****




<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: spiderman on 2004-07-20 06:55 ]</font>

Thanks for the reply!

Any others care to share or is no one else using Samplitude and SFP. On a more curious note, how does SFP integrate routing wise with SFP, is it easy to set up record bussed and send tracks out of samplitude into SFP mixers or effects busses?

My only issue holding me back from paying for a cross grade is the serious lack of VST support as well as rewire and midi editing, but supposidly I am hearing version 8 will cover all those issues, so it might be a good time to invest.

In wost case scenario I would end up using Samp as audio arranger and to all edits in samp and all midi work in Nuendo. My only real issue with Nuendo is Steinberg, love the app, hate the company and pinnacle is pretty bad aswell hehe.

I like the fact Samplitude has a private registered users forum also, this keep all the annoying crack user questions down to a minimum.

Any one else care to comment?

Cheers!

I've been on an old copy of samplitude for quite a while. Didn't bother updating with ver 7 or 8.. As for me, I went the other way around, from samplitude to Cubase. Samplitude has certainly gone through lots of hard times, being sold to different companies and all.

It's a damn good audio solution with rock solid performance. Much more stable than Cubase, in my opinion. With my workflow, I usually write stuff in Cubase, and then do a once and for all bounce to Samplitude, and then mix from there. Other times I make the tracks in Cubase, bounce to 1 track, and then layer vocals in Samplitude.

From my experience, Samplitude definitely does sound different than Steinberg's stuff. It was more obvious a while back, before SX. In terms of audio editing, Samplitude is fine tuned for this purpose. Setting up projects is really easy, and cutting/pasting, zooming in/out, moving stuff around.. it's just all very speedy once you learn it.

Thanks for the info Ken,

I am considering all this for " Version 8" which is not yet released, supposidly, this is going to be the version that puts samp as a contender, they are supposed to be doing a major work up for midi giving it a feature set like SX/Nuendo, adding rewire and a slew of other things.

I think Nuendo and SX are superb apps, but the company sucks, they're update policy can make one go insane, and as much as Nuendo is supposed to be a high end Audio suit, samplitude 7.21 Demo seems to make audio editing seem like a breeze compared to Nuendo, maybe its just the way its layed out I dont know, but there is something that felt really smooth.

Plus I keep hearing about it having amazing stability and a very good audio engine. It seems most compose in a tool like sonar/SX and then mix and edit in a tool like samp, well those that use samp that is, I am hoping version 8 will adrsss the midi side and make it an all in one tool.

The cross grade from Nuendo is around $400.00 for the pro version and I think that would entitle me to a free update to version, so essentialy $1290.00+ or what ever they charge for version 8 for the crossgrade price, not a bad deal, just not sure its worth it having Nuendo is all, still debating

Edit: One other thing that really has me thinking is I have heard about CPU optimizations in samplitude, basically samp does not put nearly the stress that SX/Nuendo does using the same amount of audi channels, VST plugs etc etc, this could help aleviate some CPU stress that induces pops and click, leaving room for lower buffer sizes maybe for tracking.

Cheers!

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Basic Pitch on 2004-07-20 12:06 ]</font>

I've been running with Samplitude since rev. 5.2, and rev. 8 is about to be released at the end of the Summer.

It's come a long way, and, in my opinion is the 'clearest' sounding audio app. out there - and I've tried them all on and off over the years.

At the very least I use Samplitude for mixdown, since I sometimes use other apps such as Acid Pro for rough composition. But 'bang-for-the-buck' (U.S. phrase for getting your money's worth), you can't beat Samplitude.

Oh, and it runs great on my PulsarI/SRB/PowerSampler system.

i have been using samplitude for quite a while for cd mastering. i haven't upgraded since 6x and i really see no reason to spend the money, as a sequncer, cubase sx is more to my liking, i have never liked sam's mixer.

the app is extremely well written however, and very stable. for cutting and pasting of audio, sam has to be one of the best.

it all depends on your what you like...

Samplitude has certainly gone through lots of hard times, being sold to different companies and all.

I'm not sure I know what you mean, Magix has always "owned" Samplitude, the same developers have been working on Sam since the Comodore64 days, they have been given the run around with distributors - Emagic to name one.
The thing with Sam is the quality of sound, very pristine and all internal efx are phase linear and have been from day one
MIDI has a way to go but that will improve
I don't actually call it a sequencer myself, It's an audio editor, mastering application that also does MIDI

cheers Davo

ya, I was talking about the whole distribution thing. Quite a long story, I kinda lost track at around the emagic part. Then poof, magix starts selling samplitude.

I'd be on the watchout for sam 8 though. Might even think of going all samplitude if the MIDI is done well enough. I hope they get around to implementing CC value scaling, CC "stretching", or other "sort of" advanced features.

I don't thinks magix ALWAYS own samplitude.
it was sek'd the original owner . so just the name change but it was the same developers team from start. I remeber using a 8 audio tracks on amiga by sek'd

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: spiderman on 2004-07-21 08:03 ]</font>

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<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: garyb on 2004-07-21 22:40 ]</font>

Ken check this out,

This is the updates for Sequia V.8, so basically samplitude is going to be much of the same with out some of the high end editing, but all midi implementation should be the same.

It appears that there will be Cubase like controler lanes for all CC data aswell as the basics like Vol, Pan, Beath, Sustain, Mod etc etc.

Here is the link: http://www.samplitude.com/de/v8seq_shortinfo_us.htm

If this is the case sam 8 might make a serious splash and go head up against Steinberg which I would like to see even though I own Nuendo 2 and SX

Check out the info on the new drum editor, that screen shot looks very interesting for midi drum composition! Also check out the elastic audio feature, thats supposed to be like built in melodyne, and also the impulse reverb? build in high end convolusion it seems.


Cheers!



<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Basic Pitch on 2004-07-21 15:16 ]</font>

I don't thinks magix ALWAYS own samplitude.

Thankyou, I stand corrected

Read this if ya want
http://site.magix.net/index.php?id=5789&type=2

Have a nice day
davo

I'm with ou Basicpitch. Although SX has sufficed, if the MIDI in Sam gets up to scratch, Steinberg might lose a customer. I rely on audio a lot more than MIDI. This could shake things up a tad.

yes I can read than magix music maker use the samplitude engine (samplitude software technology ) . by the way music maker was a toy .
maybe sek'd was owned by magix ?? i don't know . but the name "MAGIX" come on the box with samplitude 6 . i remember I was thinking it's the end of samplitude when I've seen MAGIX on the box ( as the only thing by magix I known was the music maker toy )
but it's not really important ..

read this :

http://mixonline.com/products/review/au ... roducer_2/


<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: spiderman on 2004-07-22 11:31 ]</font>

Actually alot of the technology in Sam (Audio Engine) has been used in music maker .
Sams use of objects is amazing and I generally mix using them instead of the mixer, Tip
sibilence on one word, create an object of the offending word and use the multiband comp (1 band) to reduce the "ssss". Sensational

I do the same !
I use a lot the object editor . so I don't need the samp mixer but I route the tracks or aux tracks to stm mixer in scope .
and i mixdown in real time on another track in samp .
the great advantage of object is that the plug ins use the cpu power only when the object is playing ! so it safe a lot of cpu and you can use a lot more of plug ins in a project ! great feature !!

Just a heads up,

I spoke with Synthax yesterday and was informed that people cross grading to version 7 will not be entitled to a grace period free upgrade to version 8, though the rep explained you could then purchase a v.7 upgrade to v.8 which is kind of lame, he would not tell me the upgrade price as the title is not being sold yet.

I went on the net and found the german site which samplitude 8 is already shipping and found info from people saying the upgrade is EUR$249.00 so basically USD$305.105 ouch and thats after a USD$450.00 cross grade fee, ahh well, I will prob have to wait till they make it more worth while to try sam8 grrrrr!

Cheers!

What are some typical CPU loads running Samplitude? I've seen it uses a Freeze feature, but what is the overall CPU consumption?

Is the software CPU efficient? Does it use any of the P4 features like SSE2 registers etc?

What is object oriented mixing in more details?

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: BingoTheClowno on 2004-07-23 13:01 ]</font>

From what I understand,

Samplitude is very efficient since it only processes pkuggings while they are being used, so this gives you extra headroom on the CPU, also I know its optimized for Pentium/AMD, but I think the biggest boost comes from the fact how it processes plugs/VST, even if its in the mix, if there is no part playing tha uses the plug then it doesnt take cycles away from the CPU like Nuendo/SX..

Cheers!