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Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Wed Aug 18, 2004 10:36 am

any news on the OSX port? Linux?

can't stand M$ anymore, they're fucking clowns

Post by **hubird** » Wed Aug 18, 2004 11:17 am

[here a smilie of a fucking clown]

blazesboylan · Post by **blazesboylan** » Wed Aug 18, 2004 1:23 pm

Hubird are you censoring your own smilies?!?

at0m · Post by **at0m** » Wed Aug 18, 2004 3:58 pm

Same opinion on them here, Legros. I managed to install Linux allright, but then I went into #Linux on EFNet. I didn't find one single fan of the ALSA project, they all advised me to stay away from it and said that I didn't want to run the alfa (= pre-beta) software :/ Not very encouraging, is it.

Still, once/if CW drivers for Linux are released, I hope to leave M$ behind forever. Just getting the feel of the OS now...

blazesboylan · Post by **blazesboylan** » Wed Aug 18, 2004 4:09 pm

On 2004-08-18 16:58, at0m|c wrote:
Same opinion on them here, Legros. I managed to install Linux allright, but then I went into #Linux on EFNet. I didn't find one single fan of the ALSA project, they all advised me to stay away from it and said that I didn't want to run the alfa (= pre-beta) software :/ Not very encouraging, is it.

The next version of the Linux kernel (maybe already out? Haven't been following the bouncing ball) will include ALSA in the core.

There's nothing majorly wrong with ALSA except that there is no documentation. The code does seem to be in a state of perennial flux, with no clues as to what is complete and what is unfinished. But there is enough there that is functioning to give you a good audio platform.

However CWA say they have ALSA experts and that the drivers are done. That's not the issue. The issue is the GUI -- SFP.

Linux has the widest variety of GUI libraries of any OS, and the particular one that SFP uses (WxWin or something like that) seems to be quite stable.

The stability of the OS is the key though. Any "operating system" that crashes more than twice in one year is a piece of crap IMO. That includes Mac OS9!

Cheers,

Johann

Post by **hubird** » Wed Aug 18, 2004 4:26 pm

On 2004-08-18 14:23, blazesboylan wrote:
Hubird are you censoring your own smilies?!?

No, I don't

my own smilies, it's just that clowns seem never to fuck

I once saw a clown who put his head in that of a lion, but this will never lead to little lions, though it could lead to little clowns if the lion is hungry

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BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Wed Aug 18, 2004 4:51 pm

I somewhat feel you're all alluding to me

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fadeddata · Post by **fadeddata** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 10:44 pm

I hope that they are still working on it. I'm more than interested to beta test or write documentation. Or even make Debian packages for it..

-dustin

siberiansun · Post by **siberiansun** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 11:01 pm

i still think it's a great mystery that microsoft still hasn't released a "musician or studio" dedicated OS.

forget about easy networking, easy photo collection handling, easy vacation video editing. just make a decent, already tweaked and ready to go, audio OS!

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 11:32 pm

that is no mystery at all - they simply cannot.
Noone out there to sell them one...

there is not a single piece of original work in M$'s code library, and if there is then it's below any quality level worth discussing.

cheers, Tom

ps: I have no problem at all with their money making, but I can't stand their attitude to consider themselves representing technological progress

Post by **hubird** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 4:47 am

could you explain that, Astro?
what does it say 'not a single piece of original work' in MS code lib?
And why does that make it impossible to design a real DAW?
And who is 'them' in 'Noone out there to sell them one...'?
thanks

BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 12:02 pm

Astroman probably refers to the fact that windows ideea was copied from Xerox, the first MS dos was aquired in a rush from a small company while Billy Boy was still negotiating a contract with IBM, and the fact that every major technology was aquired in order to stifle the competition.

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 12:28 pm

Bingo is right, though it was Apple who actually started 'windowing' based on the Xerox idea

But even in this case M$ applied Apple's results in a totally crippled way to their 'own' product line.
I never understood this because in those years the MacOS was fairly well documented for everyone - M$ had all the information necessary to build 'the better MacOS', yet they released something like Win 3.x

Anyway, their core office apps Word, Excel and Powerpoint were aquired products - and I guess you'd laugh your a** off if I send you the original version of PowerPoint for a comparison with the latest Office release.
Amazing how few they added in more than a decade...
Their latest aquisition is Connectix for the VirtualPC app, an emulation that can do better Windows than M$'s original version.
And what happened ? The now M$ version is crippled again in a way to only boot up with certain M$ products as a host, while the original could boot on various host OSes.

M$ has the financial resources to develope anything that could be done in software - yet they refuse to do it.

Since I'm sarcastic I call them unable, but the truth is they aren't interested.
Their business model is based on crap to be slightly improved over long, long periods of time.
If something smart shows up they immediately buy out the company to prevent that sophisticated apps spread to much.

Bingo calls the M$ chief 'billy boy' - in germany that's a condom brand, so the nick couldn't have been picked better - the preservation of progress...

cheers, Tom

Post by **hubird** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 12:33 pm

On 2004-09-15 13:28, astroman wrote:
that's a condom brand, so the nick couldn't have been picked better - the preservation of progress...

ROFL

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 12:38 pm

yeah from the start, ms-dos was in fact qdos which stands for quick and dirty os. the story here:

http://inventors.about.com/library/weekly/aa033099.htm

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 1:06 pm

On 2004-09-15 13:33, hubird wrote:
On 2004-09-15 13:28, astroman wrote:
that's a condom brand, so the nick couldn't have been picked better - the preservation of progress...
ROFL

sh*t, what a horrible typo
prevention of progress would be the correct term - or preservation of stupidity...

Tom

BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 2:03 pm

Unfortunately it's not stupidity, just plain greed.

Post by **hubird** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 7:06 pm

I took it as meant, so no worries, I wasn't laughing at you but coz of the humor

tho the correction is correct