ProTone vs real Pro-One

proximo · Post by **proximo** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 11:38 am

Here are 2 files to compare the 2 synths :

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/mks-80/Pro%20One.wav
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/mks-80/Pro%20Tone%20.wav

Only the snare drum is not made with the synths.
Both synths go trough the same signal path/effects (exept the hardware goes first through the A/D convertion (A16 Ultra)).

The same midi tracks are sent to both synths.
(the filter opening/closing can also be done by a midi CC to control the Pro One filter via the filter CV in).

I used the patches from the unease web site
here :

http://www.unease.se/proone.htm

It was really difficult to make them sound exactly the same, and sometimes had a 30% discripancy in knobs position...)
I guess 2 Pro Ones won't also sound the same at the exact same knob position ..

Enjoy.
PS : my Pro One is healthy and the VCOs are calibrated).

[ This Message was edited by: proximo on 2005-04-19 17:31 ]

Immanuel · Post by **Immanuel** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 1:04 pm

There is heavy distortion on the tracks - is that on purpose?

proximo · Post by **proximo** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 4:02 pm

What do you mean ?
The files are 32Bits floating point/48kHz
that might be the problem ...
I re-uploaded the files with 16Bit/44.1 kHz ..

Let me know.

[ This Message was edited by: proximo on 2005-04-19 17:29 ]

Immanuel · Post by **Immanuel** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 5:39 pm

Thank you. Now it is fine

Post by **hubird** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 6:16 pm

well done

may be it would be more handsome for fast switching if you put both files behind eac other in one file

Immanuel · Post by **Immanuel** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 6:44 pm

I think most mediaplayers can do that just fine - and actually easyer.

Post by **hubird** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 7:20 pm

with one click switching to about the same location in the files?

[ This Message was edited by: hubird on 2005-04-19 22:50 ]

proximo · Post by **proximo** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 10:22 am

Hi hubird,
not sure what you want to do.
Best is to include both tracks in a multitrack sequencer and to solo one track at a time.

Post by **hubird** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 1:55 pm

Quicktime can open a file in 'Kiosk modus', just a 'bar' and a play/stop button.
You can click in the bar to jump to different track positions.
But also in full mode you can use the bar this way, like with other players

If you put both files as one file, you can jump through both files, on the fly, instantly starting at about the same position in both files.
This makes it very easy to hear differences between the 'same' file positions, skipping intro's and outro's and the like

Thought it was clear what I meant without much words, hope it is now

[ This Message was edited by: hubird on 2005-04-20 15:02 ]

fidox · Post by **fidox** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 10:09 am

yo, nice track btw, golden 80's,

i have listened both, and in my opinion first file sounds better to me, than pro-tone version...

matej

proximo · Post by **proximo** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 10:57 am

Hi,
Yes the Pro One has more punch, goes deeper in the low and high ends, and sounds bigger and warmer.
The difference is pretty obvious when you listen to the "whrorau" sound (filter opening and closing on a fat PWM sound).

I guess the word "analog" should explain everything ..
Still ProTone is probably one of the best sounding VA synth around and is very punchy.

On my NS-10M monitor, it was sometimes difficult to hear the difference between the 2 synths ... but not on my HD-600 headphones.

I would say the ProTone comes very close in reproducing the Pro-One basses, though you have to equalize to go as deep in the low end.
But not the leads ... don't know why though.

Yo hubird,
here is the file you wanted :
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/mks-80/ProOneProTone.wav

Cheers,

Post by **garyb** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 11:43 am

what's obvious is that they are not the same patches.

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 11:48 am

On 2005-04-21 11:57, proximo wrote:
Hi,
Yes the Pro One has more punch, goes deeper in the low and high ends, and sounds bigger and warmer...

exactly the opposite was once the 'main' critic point at CWA's ProOne emulation in mag review: the original doesn't have that much punch at all...

no comment from my side as I haven't listened to the files here yet.

cheers, Tom

proximo · Post by **proximo** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 12:22 pm

@garyb :
So the questions are :
Are they different patches which I made on purpose to make them sound different?
Or was it impossible to make them sound the same after hours of tweaking ??

I leave it up to you ...

@Tom :

[ This Message was edited by: proximo on 2005-04-21 16:55 ]

wayne · Post by **wayne** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 12:53 pm

I find the frames of reference in this kind of test are a bit wobbly.

The Pro-One sounds a bit like the ProTone with a bit of vinco

....or something.

It's an interesting thing to try, though, and thanks

It all leads me to wonder if my Noah Pro One is fatter or skinnier than another pro-one (or my tuba, for that matter

)

Post by **hubird** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 6:30 pm

Yo hubird,
here is the file you wanted :
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/mks-80/ProOneProTone.wav

Yo proximo

that's what I meant, thanks

(I'm not crazy after all lol: ).

Post by **garyb** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 10:20 pm

@proximo
does it matter?
it's near impossible to get exactly the same patch from the same pro one, let alone two different machines...

[ This Message was edited by: garyb on 2005-04-21 23:20 ]

Post by **hubird** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 10:37 pm

yes, but it was good enough to convince me that a choice for the ProTone would be a good one

Post by **garyb** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 10:40 pm

yes, it shows the pro tone to be competent. it doesn't really allow a true comparison, but again, that doesn't really matter. the important thing is to have something that works....

Man-Machine · Post by **Man-Machine** » Fri Apr 22, 2005 9:57 am

Funny you re-created this song. I did the same thing a while back between my Pro-One and my Pro-Tone. I don't know if I still have the files but for sure I still have the patches. I remember being able to patch a bigger sounding bass though...