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Just as I predicted OS X has been hacked for the PC. Let's see if Apple does the wise thing and lets us buy it. It is said to be way fast.

A revolution? A revelation? IMHO no.

This only proves some PC guys are in need of having a Mac.

Somebody there (in the link you mentioned) said he had erased all his data to try this... hmm...

This doesn't cure anybody. So why bother?

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<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: samplaire on 2005-08-20 15:44 ]</font>

What?

In my case Jobs can sell me the OS or get no money at all from me. I think he will see the logic in selling it. I'm not planning on using a hacked version although it *is* tempting.

Yeah, this can be the explanation: Logic6 or 7 on a PC. You're right, Braincell.

On 2005-08-20 15:42, samplaire wrote:
A revolution? A revelation? IMHO no.

This only proves some PC guys are in need of having a Mac.

I'd say it proves that some Mac guys are in need of a PC to run it better...and some PC guys prefer to keep their PC even for running Mac exclusive software....

Known as OSX86; it's faster than a Mac, read this:

http://www.wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,68 ... _tophead_1

Another interesting site:

http://osx86project.org/

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On 2005-08-20 16:10, alfonso wrote:
I'd say it proves that some Mac guys are in need of a PC to run it better...and some PC guys prefer to keep their PC even for running Mac exclusive software....

Clever

On 2005-08-20 15:51, samplaire wrote:
Yeah, this can be the explanation: Logic6 or 7 on a PC. You're right, Braincell.

honestly - Apple bundles the light version aka GarageBand for everyone and recently made half a billion with music downloads - they have a cash cow called iPod and their notebooks are highly sought.

do you really think they care about 20k copies sold to the PC market (if at all)-
or are concerned about something in the 2% range of their download revenues ...

that hack isn't exactly mindbreaking - to find the check for the TPM chip... yawn...
high resolution content will make the difference and that will not be as easy to hack - see your favourite soundcard for reference.

cheers, Tom

Microsoft proved that you can make more money selling an OS than computers. Now you say Apple is making money with iTunes. Do you want Apple to make money or not? They clearly had idiotic business sense when they made the OS proprietary. Are they going to make the same mistake again? I always heard that Apple hardware is better. Why does the OS run faster on a computer which they didn't make? Sometimes it is advantageous to work with other people rather than try to do everything yourself. Apple keeps saying it is a hardware company but why? I fail to see why a company can not change. People are saying that Apple made the OS easy to crack so they would have an excuse to start selling it. It's speculation. Time will tell.

If I was selling songs on iTunes I would make each song 2 minutes long because they sell each song for the same price. An artist who makes long songs would be ripped off. Honestly I will never buy anything from iTunes.

On 2005-08-20 20:45, astroman wrote:
high resolution content will make the difference and that will not be as easy to hack - see your favourite soundcard for reference.

cheers, Tom

and this points out the real problem i have with apple, they don't just want a cut, they want it all. apple will settle for a cut for a short time(like avid or digidesign), but this is before they get the in house system fully operational. that kind of thinking is excluding my favorite sound card. the mac is a fine machine, but not exactly open...a mac is a much more appropriate consumer device, however...

osx is a fine os, i'm sure. it will be on intel machines soon(apple brand). apple's exclusivity will likely remain intact i would figure, and i doubt it'll be running on non-apple computers soon...i wouldn't mind, of course, especially if that helped make scope available. i'd certainly consider logic again...but..apple showed me that they weren't interested in my business unless i ordered another new computer a while ago when logic pc was dropped, so i doubt they want it now, unless i buy the whole package....


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On 2005-08-20 22:05, braincell wrote:
...Do you want Apple to make money or not? They clearly had idiotic business sense when they made the OS proprietary. Are they going to make the same mistake again?
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People are saying that Apple made the OS easy to crack so they would have an excuse to start selling it...

Braincell, you miss the point - but you probably weren't much interested in Apple at the end of the 80s

you may in fact trust me (I made more than a few sarcastic comments about OSX...) if I tell you that the company has changed their 'corporate' philosophy COMPLETELY.
Ironically they've aquired M$'s attitude in that domain - and you can invoke a shell with a command line in OSX which once represented their 'foe image' in ads from the mid 80s - see the famous Mac intro video

that custom hardware software combination made a lot of sense, any OS with a graphical user interface eventually gained from Apple's way of literally torturing programmers.
you don't achieve something like this with open source and trust in goodwill.period.

but as time moves on, things have changed a little - most importantly today people pay sh*tloads of money for something that will never work for them, more money is made by ringtone licenses than by sold records, and your favourite search engine multiplied it's stock value by a funky figure 3 last year - making each of the 2 founders to multi-billionaires.
98% of Googles revenues are advertisement btw - people like it because there's no sh*t there, isn't it ?

as already mentioned the machine and it's OS doesn't matter anymore - it's all about content.
Apple made that profitable music store and they sell storage to their customers (iDisk) - M$ holds tons of licenses of digital content like art representation and such stuff.
A consumer doesn't really care how fast an OS runs in benchmarks. Even the most humble technology (MiniMac or Epias) is more than sufficient for everyday use.
A hardcore gamer will prefer something different - and a desktop DAW owner too, but do we qualify for even 1% of the consumer base ?

I wouldn't expect Apple really interested in selling their OS at all (re-interpret the 500 bucks for a MacMini, considering the OS/software value) - it's probably that digitally signed 'hi-res closed content' they are after.
An OS you can sell once (expect 10 copies per sold unit anyway) - but content will never stop.

The Scope cards show that a proper hardware protection can withstand hacks for quite some time but you're probably going to see even more than that.
You'll be online and be identifyable.
Welcome to Big Brother - Apple could deliberately rebuild the scenery they destroyed with so much sex appeal in that ad from end of 83

cheers, Tom

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: astroman on 2005-08-21 04:57 ]</font>

What protects Creamware from hacks is the small amount of cards sold and the expensive price of the cards.

As for the future of Apple; we'll see. Putting all their cards in iTunes and the iPod is a dangerous game.

So much complication fo what a difference? It doesn't worth the effort, the those trying to transfer it, as for thouse having to reinstall in all, to have quite the same thing at the end, in practical terms. I'll keep making some music...

You are very funny Astro. I can remember when years ago a friend of mine who owns a computer repair store said he didn't think anyone would ever need more than 64 megs of RAM. Another friend when bragging about his new hard drive said "I have 4 gigabytes of space. Do you know how much that is? I'll never fill it up". Needless to say both of my friends were wrong and at least one is way more intelligent than I am. I don't listen to anyone about technology predictions anymore.

On 2005-08-21 04:53, astroman wrote:

Even the most humble technology (MiniMac or Epias) is more than sufficient for everyday use.
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read carefully...
everyday use is something different than for all times ever

I've explained the Mini's market position (imho) and that I've NEVER come across a better bundle in my days of computer sales (ok, that's a bit outdated...)

it's a consumer package and obviously there are lots of folks who want to do exactly that kind of 'digital home lifestyle' (or whatever it is called).
I have always criticized Apple for giving up their (admittedly simple stupid in the best sense of the word) custom OS in favour of a unix-like complexity.

But I stand corrected - I cannot find any practical consequences that a consumer might be aware of (and get confused by) on the Mini I have for evaluation.

You browse the internet, have your email, connect a digicam, download or copy music, videos, do a little office and presentation stuff - all without the need to know what's under the hood. It's userfriendly.
Needless to mention there are no interrupts and outlook worm attacks don't exist either

cheers, Tom

It has it's advantages but I know I will never be buying one and I am 100% sure that none of my friends will so I'm not exactly sure if there is a market for it. I'm not saying it sucks.

I wonder how the drivers should work on a standard pc esp. when it comes to pconly hardware.

there's nothing that amazing in a mac. it uses more or less the same parts as a pc. poor parts would work as poorly as they do in a pc running windows....