Can you believe it? Amazing, what a definition!

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 1:42 pm

Is it really needed, or even useful? I'm not sure:

http://www.realtechnews.com/posts/2500

39 million pixels... Wow!

miguel · Post by **miguel** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 2:11 pm

I think it actually isn't so out of this world. 39 megapixels gives roughly a 6000 by 6000 pixel image. Many decent "old" film cameras can give higher definition. Proper optics with adecuate film can do wonders

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Nice tip Nestor!

regards

Post by **hubird** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 5:08 pm

could be usefull for oldstyle communistic regimes who want 30 meters hight enlargements of pictures of the one and only leader...to look at from book reading distance...

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 6:58 pm

Whatever, but did you see the price? Around here I would buy a hause with that.

Post by **hubird** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 7:26 pm

sure, that's even my point, the price doesn't matter (and is a question of time)

In reality you have ziljards of mega pixels, as it's continuous.
The question is, will those mega mega pixels add something usefull?
I know not much of this stuff, but I know
you can read a book already at candle light

[ This Message was edited by: hubird on 2006-09-02 02:28 ]

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 11:42 pm

you got that entirely wrong, Nestor...
Hasselblad is a brand to brag, for those who already have (or can afford) everything.

It's about exclusivity, not technology

I've only been remotely involved with pro photo tech, but afaik you'd get any technology that's in a HB for less elsewhere - so it was rarely the tool for 'real' professional work.

Nevertheless the brand is pictured on a lot of portraits of prominent photographers, considerable as paid advertisement - that's where the price is from

cheers, Tom
(loves his cute Zeiss S310 from the sixties, preferably with a Fujichrome Velvia inside)

valis · Post by **valis** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 3:39 am

Hasselblad 'analog' film cameras were used when you want to use 4"x5" film (rather than 35mm) to take high resolution 'portrait' style photos. What other 'cheaper' comparable cameras used similar lenses and accepted 4x5 film?

darkrezin · Post by **darkrezin** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 4:07 am

http://www.gigapxl.org/gallery-BalboaPond.htm

39 million pixels... bleh

BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 6:07 am

On 2006-09-02 00:42, astroman wrote:
(loves his cute Zeiss S310 from the sixties, preferably with a Fujichrome Velvia inside)

You own a quite interesting piece of history

Here is another link.

Fuji Velvia, the film is everything.

BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 6:28 am

Regarding the Hasselblad, here are some details:

Hasselblad CF 39 digital back specification
- Sensor dimensions: 36.7 x 49.0 mm
- Image size (8/16 bit RGB)
- RAW capture 78 MB, lossless compressed 50 MB (average)
- Single shot, single & multi-shot (CF-39MS)
- 16 bit colour
- ISO 50, 100, 200 and 400
- Longest shutter speed: 32 seconds
- Color management: Hasselblad HB RGB: full dynamics and reproduction dynamics
- Image storage: CF card type II (write speed >20 MB/sec)
- Image storage: new Image Bank 80 GB external hard drive or tethered to Mac or PC
- Storage capacity (single shot): Over 1500 images with 80 GB disk
- Battery type: Sony InfoLithiumL NP-F series
- Capture rate: 35 captures per minute
- Color display: 2.2 inch OLED type, 24 bit color
- IR filter: Mounted on sensor
- Histogram feedback
- IAA - Instant Approval Architecture
- Included with H2 awareness, Acoustic feed back and Metadata classification
- Software: Flexcolor (included) or Hasselblad DNG converter (included)
- File format: Lossless compressed Hasselblad 3F RAW
- Macintosh: OSX. PC: NT, 2000, XP
- Host connection type: FireWire 800 (IEEE1394b)
- Operating temperature: 0 - 45 ˚C / 32 - 113 ˚F
- Dimensions: 81 x 81 x 53 mm [W x H x D], 81 x 81 x 68 mm [W x H x D] (CF-39MS)
- Weight: 450 g (excl. battery / i-adapter), 600 g (excl. battery / i-adapter) (CF-39MS)
- Camera support via i-adapters: Hasselblad H system and V system, Rollei 600X and AF, Contax 645AF, Mamiya 645 Pro, 645 AFD, RB and RZ67, Fuji GX680I/II/III. All view cameras via Hasselblad adapter. Horeseman DigiFlex II and PrecisionWide 35 via Hasselblad adapter.

BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 6:35 am

On 2006-09-02 05:07, darkrezin wrote:
http://www.gigapxl.org/gallery-BalboaPond.htm

39 million pixels... bleh

That is very impressive!

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 8:22 am

Hasselblad is a brand to brag, for those who already have (or can afford) everything.

That's why I've got it wrong...

This is sot of Hermes brand things, istn't it?

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 8:34 am

On 2006-09-02 05:07, darkrezin wrote:
http://www.gigapxl.org/gallery-BalboaPond.htm

39 million pixels... bleh

What a humilliation to my post!

bahhh, 39 miserable megapixels... what's that...

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 9:48 am

So making some conversions here, we are talking about up to 400 megapixels of photographic definition, through the gigapixel technology, amazing!

But what if a proportional change is made over 32bit float and applied to audio? I don’t think there will be a DAW to handle such a thing for years and years to come... I don't even know if this is mathematically posible. The jump would be soemthing like going from 32bit to 3200bit depth! Ja! Impossible!

decimator · Post by **decimator** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 10:06 am

http://www.gigapxl.org/gallery-Parasail.htm

Scroll down and read !

arela · Post by **arela** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 1:14 pm

Nestor, this Hasselblas will be a must, when you buy yourself a 150" wall tv

(& a 3200 bit sound system - do you think 15 speakers will do?)

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 8:25 pm

On 2006-09-02 07:07, BingoTheClowno wrote:
...You own a quite interesting piece of history ...

thanks Bingo, I aquired the camera when I sold my Bessamatic Reflex, after noticing that I made most shots with a 35mm lens (Schneider Scoparex [what a prophetic name...].
It's additional lenses (which weren't used most of the time anyway) always took up too much space in the backpack (and weren't exactly fun to climb with in the mountains)

At first I considered the Rollei 35 as an alternative, but when I looked through the image finder of the S310 and saw this picture, I was immediately sold on it

the symbols on the left indicate the distance (red spot).
If the lens is focussed, the spot moves accordingly.
same applies to aperture (on top)
exposure time is indicated by a needle on the right side.

Any position within the margin is ok (automatic), but the indicator will signal if exposure time may be inappropriate.
All done in tiny, pure mechanic - in 60s style (note the hairdo of the portrait symbol!)

Btw I even found the cam a bit tooo tiny and wanted to return it to the shop after a weekend 'tryout', but then decided to wait til the slides were developed - btw the more economic Fujichrome Sensia

.

Eventually it was just one single decisive shot:
in the forest the sunlight made it's way through the trees and happened to spotlight a small (say 4mm) bug of deep red color, sitting on a green plant.
Since the lens doesn't have a macro I didn't expect much from the shot (...let's see what comes out of this...), made from almost 1m distance.

Well, exposure was perfect and the slide in fact showed a tiny red dot in a sea of shades of green...
So I shifted the slide under the microscope at 35 times enlargement.
Wow, I couldn't believe my eyes - there was the bug, with all six legs and even antennas

This means the slide would have qualified for a print of at least 1m width, retaing it's full resolution.

I paid 120 Euro for the cam, btw

It's a mechanical and optical masterpiece, but admittedly it's original price was equivalent to a 'regular' worker's monthly income.
I also must admit that my wife truely hated it '...the bloody thing shows every spot on the skin even from 10m away...

cheers, Tom

[ This Message was edited by: astroman on 2006-09-02 21:50 ]

BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 1:26 pm

You know, I noticed, a lot of german products made in the 60s and 70s are still selling strong on e-bay. Specially Zeiss products, just search for Zeiss on e-bay and you'll be amazed at the variety of products available.

Is that the entire range of exposure times available that's shown in the view?
Can you take pictures in low light with an ISO 100 at lowest speed?

Is that a prime (no zoom)lens? That would explain the excelent sharpness

[ This Message was edited by: BingoTheClowno on 2006-09-03 14:33 ]

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 5:42 pm

Why Germans do almost all things so well done and long lasting? I have many times asked myself this question. There are products like those coming from Taiwan, for instance, which you use today and put in the rubish can tomorrow, but German products in general, are for good... Yet another interesting question: Why the rest of the world (perhaps Japan is excluded here to some extent) does not make products the same way?

ARCADIOS · Post by **ARCADIOS** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 5:17 pm

yes germans generally make good things.
but i think that the label "made in usa" is "generally" the biggest guarantee.