Next news from Creamware?

Nebukadneser · Post by **Nebukadneser** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 11:54 pm

What will be the next news item at the Creamware website? The launch of a new ASB, or a new SFP plug-in? A new sale period?

Who can tell?

I am asking because I don't know what direction the company is moving, or what is their current strategy. Will the SFP be further developed by the addition of more softwere or will the ASB line be the route ahead?

Neb

ChampionSound · Post by **ChampionSound** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 12:19 am

I think the chance is bigger that they release another ASB rather than a new big plugin for the SFP.
My intuition tells me that the next generation scope cards (internal or external) will be released not too far from now. My intuition is based on nothing, it's just a hunch.

Post by **hubird** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 4:17 am

it's well known that CWA doesn't have much develloping resources anymore...
ASB sales dictate the future

King of Snake · Post by **King of Snake** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 9:39 am

My guess as well is they'll be continuing with the ASB idea. Maybe Pro-One ASB, although that's maybe a bit superfluous with the Pro 12 already out there.
ASB version of the Dynatube would be a possibility as well, to go head to head with other hardware amp modellers like Pod.

lagoausente · Post by **lagoausente** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 10:22 am

I would like to know if there is any comunication between Creamware and this forum, and if they read this any time.
I wouldn´t buy a ASB. It seesm to me to much price for a limited sofware, limited sound emulation at least.
The goal would be a ASB, with a high speed port, (usb 2.0, firewire), and onboard ram. A device capable of doing the same SFP pci cards without depending of pc memory, and using the port to send/receive a few ASIO channels.
I would like to know what Creamware think about.

Post by **hubird** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 11:26 am

a company will hardly ever answer those kind of questions

The boxes are what they are, they express very probably a delicat balance between financial, technical and development resources at the time being.

They saved Creamware-audio, that's for sure

petal · Post by **petal** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 12:03 pm

Lagoausente, there have been endless and countless threads on these topics through the past four years that I've been a Creamwareuser and a member of PlanetZ.

This thread must be at least number three of it's kind within the past month.

Do a search here on the forum and you'll find that all your ideas (which I think are good ideas indeed) has allready been expressed in several different ways from several different users through the time.

More important, you will also find a lot of the answers to why these new products that you surgest, which seem so important and urgent, properly aren't gonna show up in the very near future, all though we all hope for them and get excited when we think about them

lagoausente · Post by **lagoausente** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 1:47 pm

On 2006-09-06 13:03, petal wrote:
Lagoausente, there have been endless and countless threads on these topics through the past four years that I've been a Creamwareuser and a member of PlanetZ.

This thread must be at least number three of it's kind within the past month.

Do a search here on the forum and you'll find that all your ideas (which I think are good ideas indeed) has allready been expressed in several different ways from several different users through the time.

More important, you will also find a lot of the answers to why these new products that you surgest, which seem so important and urgent, properly aren't gonna show up in the very near future, all though we all hope for them and get excited when we think about them

I think that is positive. Since many users can be given same ideas again and again, can be a guideline for a specific development, in the case that could be affordable by the company. Even it can be boring, I think may be useful, if the company is reading ocasionally this threads.
There is something that I don´t understand. How in 2006 can a company be without resources after have been selling so many cards from some years. Usually, financial problems are higher when a company start, but when all is running..., is there no money?
If there is no money with all the DSP around the world sold, seems really dificult to grow up now. IF SFP was no retable, why shoud be ASB?
Or they have been wasting all money they won?

[ This Message was edited by: lagoausente on 2006-09-06 15:01 ]

Post by **hubird** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 7:20 pm

uff, that's a question...
do a search, you'll find something about NOAH and Creamware's insolvancy period

ASBs saved us, believe us

bill3107 · Post by **bill3107** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 11:55 pm

yes and ASBs boxes can reach new customers, those who want for their gigs a good Hammond emulation, or a ARP Odyssey, etc... See the soundonsound reviews (in France at least one of the main magazines have made an ASB review...very positive). That's creamware's startegy. I definitly thnik that was the best thing to do as computer hardware is drreastically changing. The "wait and see" attitude, when it comes to change the soundcards, is may be the wiser...

AND, we should appreciate that there is - in the meanwhile - a lot of developpement around our creamware systems. Since dynatube, there are many good offers and new plugins (Brainvox, DAS, Zarg, spacef...).

I would just add someting : i will keep my PC+scope system even if i change my computer later. Why? Because i have invested in excellent plugins (P100, b2003, minimax) and i consider my creamware station as a HARDWARE. Thanks to adat, it will be easy to enter/go out from it until 2050 at least

.

Jo

[ This Message was edited by: bill3107 on 2006-09-07 00:57 ]

hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 9:29 am

although I am not a potetial ASB buyer, I think the ASB is a good thing.

Creamware over long time only had one single product ( Scope/Pulsar ). If this one product fails, the company fails...

So with the ASB boxes they have some permanent cash cows to finance new projects... ( I think since their insolvency they had to pay back some money, right? don`t know exactly)

The Creamware ASB synths do not only give them some reliable money-income they are a show-off for their quality synth plug-ins, that compete with other hardware synths.
So this will also attrackt new Scope users.

Best for Creamware would be to save some money now, and then release:

- a new synth beast as plug-in and ASB
- later new more powerful PC/Mac Scope2 hardware
- and at last some new high-end audio fx emulations (reverb, comps, etc.) as UAD and TC does...
They could build much more powerful plug-ins that maybe only works with the new hardware, that would also attract people to upgrade to the new Scope2 lineup...

But a little bit backwards compatibility would be fine...

At least all existing Scope user should get all ported versions (if they are ported) for the new platform...

Not all have to be ported at first, mainly the strong synths and fx. + a few new ones...

I think reducing the flexibility of Scope2 would be very bad. ( routing possibilities )

The base system should stay. Because thats what most Scope user love.

The Scope1 boards could stay in lineup, but drop slightly in price to attract people with less money. Lets say a Scope Project for 400€

And the new Scope2 boards would add as high-end line. With extreme powerful new fx and new synths. + some of the high-end old simulations.

The best synths are already ported to the new chips (minimax, Pro-12, Prdyssey)
Add Vinco, and some of the other better Scope fx. ( + some 1 new high-end synth and some new high-end fx)

And at least add some modified better copy-protection to get back some of the best developers like Warp for the platform, or just buy the algo license (like IK did) from him and release it as part of the pack.

Of course at the moment these are my thoughts and just a dream...
But Creamware once was the company that made dreams come true...

[ This Message was edited by: hifiboom on 2006-09-07 10:41 ]

firubbi · Post by **firubbi** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 10:00 am

On 2006-09-06 14:05, stardust wrote:
next news is that there is a christmas special

[my guess]

i guess your guess is right

christmas special is coming like discount stuffs. but im really looking for external dsp like waves or tc.
thanks

Herr Voigt · Post by **Herr Voigt** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 1:05 pm

On 2006-09-07 10:29, Hifiboom wrote:
But Creamware once was the company that made dreams come true...

Sometimes we should call it Dreamware ...

[ This Message was edited by: Herr Voigt on 2006-09-07 14:07 ]

lagoausente · Post by **lagoausente** » Sat Sep 09, 2006 7:03 am

On 2006-09-07 00:55, bill3107 wrote:
yes and ASBs boxes can reach new customers, those who want for their gigs a good Hammond emulation, or a ARP Odyssey, etc...

Gigs? Can ASB do sampling? I don´t understand. I was thinking each ASB box only could emulate one instrument, isn´t that? I think is quite expensive 600Euro for only a hammon emulation, really.
I have got B2003 for 98 euro now for my Scope.

valis · Post by **valis** » Sat Sep 09, 2006 8:51 am

not quite the same--considering that to match the same specs for b2003 you'd need at least a Luna2, a PC to house it & run the software and a midi controller (actually two since you'd need a drawbar controller in addition to knobs/sliders)

and if you want to argue about flexibility let's look at the success of noah versus the asb units

lagoausente · Post by **lagoausente** » Sat Sep 09, 2006 11:00 am

On 2006-09-09 09:51, valis wrote:
not quite the same--considering that to match the same specs for b2003 you'd need at least a Luna2, a PC to house it & run the software and a midi controller (actually two since you'd need a drawbar controller in addition to knobs/sliders)

and if you want to argue about flexibility let's look at the success of noah versus the asb units

You have reason, there are diferent things. Anyway, to have a full setup of sounds (B4000, Pro12, Minimax...) you will have to spend a lot of money, I think.

ARCADIOS · Post by **ARCADIOS** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 3:59 am

1. creamware will release new generation cards.

2. you will be able to replace your old ones with no cost.(for cards bought within the last 3 years)

3. the new cards will be compatible to older software

4. the new software will not replace the current, but it will cooperate with it.

can yo think of anything better?
should creamware think this way?

firubbi · Post by **firubbi** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 9:47 am

5. hehe
6. you wish

alfonso · Post by **alfonso** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 1:15 pm

"2. you will be able to replace your old ones with no cost.(for cards bought within the last 3 years)"

A no-cost hw replacement is something totally impossible to afford for any company, figure for a small one....It has no justification too, I'd love it but.....

it would be an heavy loss for CWA!

lagoausente · Post by **lagoausente** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 2:38 pm

I would be satisfied if can buy new hardware, that means that the company will remain on the market, and I will have support, new devices, and life in this forum.