No I'm not sexually frustrated...
I wanted to use a hardware controller that would reflect fader/knob positions as its being manipulated...hmm!
Has anyone done this?
Alternatively has anyone accessed the STM via a touchscreen. I'm also considering buying a Magitouch kit for a 19" LCD and laying it down in front of me..to alleviate the bang issue!!
How does it respond, is it practical?
Can I bang the STM 4896 faders somehow?
it s*cks [only partly true] - like all touch-screened SFP 
if you slightly miss a control's active area, you'll drag the device across the screen - drives me nuts.
there should be an option that a device's current position is locked within the project.
Someone from CWA support told me (a couple of years ago) it was due to the GUI lib and not easily changeable.
on the other hand you'd want to have a multipoint sensitive touch area, and those are pretty expensive afaik - just one control at a time isn't very convenient
cheers, Tom
well sorry, that was a rather outdated info...
it's still valid regarding the Minimax (for example), but all the mixers have 'drag insensitive' areas around the controls, so it should be usable.
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if you slightly miss a control's active area, you'll drag the device across the screen - drives me nuts.
there should be an option that a device's current position is locked within the project.
Someone from CWA support told me (a couple of years ago) it was due to the GUI lib and not easily changeable.
on the other hand you'd want to have a multipoint sensitive touch area, and those are pretty expensive afaik - just one control at a time isn't very convenient
cheers, Tom
well sorry, that was a rather outdated info...
it's still valid regarding the Minimax (for example), but all the mixers have 'drag insensitive' areas around the controls, so it should be usable.
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I think you'd probably need some intermediate program for that to replace the mouse basically.
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Yes the drivers of the Magitouch panels replace the mouse functionality.
Astroman what sized monitor were you using. I was thinking of setting the 19" up at 800x600 or one up from there.
Still impractical?
There doesn't seem to be any other cheaper options except magitouch. Would love to put touch on a 32" monitor but havent seen a solution that big without ordering 200 or more.
BTW Is therer no way to bang the faders? In case this term is foreign: to get the stm to send out the value of a specified (or not) group of controls to midi so that a controller surface can reflect their positions. ie say if you had an 8 motorised fader device and you wanted to switch between groups of 8 on the stm
Are there any other more comprehensive mixers for scope out there with as many channels?
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Astroman what sized monitor were you using. I was thinking of setting the 19" up at 800x600 or one up from there.
Still impractical?
There doesn't seem to be any other cheaper options except magitouch. Would love to put touch on a 32" monitor but havent seen a solution that big without ordering 200 or more.
BTW Is therer no way to bang the faders? In case this term is foreign: to get the stm to send out the value of a specified (or not) group of controls to midi so that a controller surface can reflect their positions. ie say if you had an 8 motorised fader device and you wanted to switch between groups of 8 on the stm
Are there any other more comprehensive mixers for scope out there with as many channels?
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[Not sure if this is what you're asking, but...]
I'm using a Radikal Technologies SAC-2K controller, a motorised control surface, which can be configured to work in various modes. "Mackie" emulation is good for the sequencers (Live, Cubase are preconfigured for this), but it also has other modes, and one called "Pulsar" has been prepared to use with sfp.
If you choose this mode, and connect it via MIDI 2-way with the STM mixer (in and out), it will send and receive fader and knob data (after some CC assigning)...
The motorised faders will jump to position, reflecting your virtual mixer.
This is a very good controller, with a lot more functionality than, say, the Mackie, and it's really beautiful too... You can configure it to use simultaneously on 2 computers, and cycling through modes is excellent when working with more than one app (say a sequencer and SFP).
I'm using a Radikal Technologies SAC-2K controller, a motorised control surface, which can be configured to work in various modes. "Mackie" emulation is good for the sequencers (Live, Cubase are preconfigured for this), but it also has other modes, and one called "Pulsar" has been prepared to use with sfp.
If you choose this mode, and connect it via MIDI 2-way with the STM mixer (in and out), it will send and receive fader and knob data (after some CC assigning)...
The motorised faders will jump to position, reflecting your virtual mixer.
This is a very good controller, with a lot more functionality than, say, the Mackie, and it's really beautiful too... You can configure it to use simultaneously on 2 computers, and cycling through modes is excellent when working with more than one app (say a sequencer and SFP).
Hi Tau
This sounds great. So the SAC must be prompting the stm to send all fader and knob values. I guess if this isn't the case then it's just remembering what position it was since the last time you used the SAC for that fader. Thus if you changed the value via some other means ie with the mouse or remotely by midi it wont reflect this. Can you confirm this please?
And if it is sending a request for fader values, would it be possible to find out what that request is?
So is the SAC set up to access aux, bus assign etc or is it just vol and pan. Thanks again.
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This sounds great. So the SAC must be prompting the stm to send all fader and knob values. I guess if this isn't the case then it's just remembering what position it was since the last time you used the SAC for that fader. Thus if you changed the value via some other means ie with the mouse or remotely by midi it wont reflect this. Can you confirm this please?
And if it is sending a request for fader values, would it be possible to find out what that request is?
So is the SAC set up to access aux, bus assign etc or is it just vol and pan. Thanks again.
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well, midi may not always be reliable... but afaik midi cc are automatically sent and received, once assigned to a GUI element.
So any (attentive) faderbox with motorized controls will receive the values and adjust it's positions accordingly.
Doesn't matter if by mouse dragging or (say) preset loading (you can actually watch it with the midi monitor) - THAT is not the big deal
a device is limited to 1 single midi channel, so you may run out of available controllers for 'sophisticated' mixers...
I didn't know about the touch screen feature, so I was kidding in the shop about it's blurry surface ...been polished too often, wasn't it ?
Anyway, for 50 Euro (2nd hand) one can't go wrong with a touch experiment.
It didn't get much farther than that, dragging things across the screen was a fairly annoying experience and the image wasn't convincing anyway.
I really didn't use it much, but I've considered to re-vitalize it since I have a dual monitor card and SFP runs on it's own box.
cheers, Tom
So any (attentive) faderbox with motorized controls will receive the values and adjust it's positions accordingly.
Doesn't matter if by mouse dragging or (say) preset loading (you can actually watch it with the midi monitor) - THAT is not the big deal
a device is limited to 1 single midi channel, so you may run out of available controllers for 'sophisticated' mixers...
that monitor actually was 800x600, a 13" Sony.On 2006-09-10 03:55, bcslaam wrote:
...Astroman what sized monitor were you using. I was thinking of setting the 19" up at 800x600 or one up from there.
Still impractical?...
I didn't know about the touch screen feature, so I was kidding in the shop about it's blurry surface ...been polished too often, wasn't it ?
Anyway, for 50 Euro (2nd hand) one can't go wrong with a touch experiment.
It didn't get much farther than that, dragging things across the screen was a fairly annoying experience and the image wasn't convincing anyway.
I really didn't use it much, but I've considered to re-vitalize it since I have a dual monitor card and SFP runs on it's own box.
cheers, Tom
Well, the SAC reflects all fader changes, if you touch them with the mouse, or with another MIDI remote (!), it will reflect the changes made, and stay up-to-date with your mix, as long as you connect the MIDI out from the mixer back into the SAC (via sequencer or MIDI-OX).Thus if you changed the value via some other means ie with the mouse or remotely by midi it wont reflect this. Can you confirm this please?
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The "pulsar" mode in the SAC is like a dedicated MIDI controller, sending all CCs through one channel (unlike "mackie" mode, which uses all 16 channels). You have to set up the mixer appropriately to be controlled by the SAC, but, because you're limited to a single MIDI channel, there's only so many CCs to map... Besides, there's no MIDI control for the track EQs on the STM 2448, and all inserts will share the mixer's MIDI channel, so if you need to control these as well, CCs have to be "spared" from the mixer...
That said, I think the Radikal SAC is a truly excellent instrument: it feels great and professional (100mm faders, endless knobs, lots of space for hands and fingers), looks awesome (esp. with the lights out), and is filled with small details that make it really universal. At the touch of a backlit button, you can switch from the channel faders to a channel strip, or to bus faders, send / insert parameters, instrument parameters... All viewed on LCD strips.
If you use Ableton Live, you can practically do everthing in a mix without touching the mouse or even looking at the screen... This also applies to Cubase SX (although not so straightforward as with Ableton).
And how many controllers have you heard about that feature presets for sfp?
T
