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Hi,

Has anyone got XTC mode to work in cubase under Vista?

I am getting some VxD error everytime i try to load a synth, but for the rest it finds the pulsar with inputs/outputs.

Thanks

I'm no expert for this stuff, but imho the VXD is where the action is - the items you 'see' are just the Asio software-buffers, empty placeholders, so to say.

cheers, Tom

yes, same Problem here, but everything else works whatsoever

would be cool if theres a fix for that....

Trow Vista out of the Windows!!!

The way I feel, is why should I stay behind with OS, technology should follow. CW has not made a real effort in upgrading drivers since 2002. No 64bit support or any acknowledgement that it’s working on Vista drivers. My pulsar should not dictate when it’s fine to move to Vista. In fact I don’t think the current drivers are genuinely made for XP but for Windows 2000, although I do realise its same kernel and make no difference, but it just shows how little support there has been to refine drivers for current OS's with potentially one of the most expensive synth-soundcards in the market.

When I purchased the pulsar I was on millennium and testing XP Beta, I remember CW acting quite fast with the issue and actually acknowledged they were currently working on the drivers and would be released very soon. This time I wrote an email and when I got a reply they told me they were working on Vista support but they don’t know when a release can happen; that insinuates that they probably not even started on preliminary alpha drivers to even work out a timeframe for official release.

All we can do now is just wait and hope we que some official acknowledgement from Creamware that they are working on it and its imminent that a driver will be released in the near future.

you probably know that they are on limited resources and the nonsense(*) in question only started to sell yesterday.
You bet if some trustworthy members here say they heard it through the grapewine CWA in fact considers Vista, there is something is going on in that direction.

Nevertheless in my humble understanding the Scope paradigmn is a no-go in itself regarding (at least some aspects of) digital rights management.
Someone doesn't want to let me save his internet stream ?
LOL - I just route the wave drivers to a recording app... etc.

(*) sidenote
use whatever OS appeals to your personal prefs, but don't even think that this is 'leading edge' technology.
It was a waste of time and resources and it's only purpose is to cement a (vanishing) monopoly
The (published) facts alone (50million lines of code by a 2k members crew) tell that this can never work.
All features I've heard of don't ease anything, but control over the user.
This is all boring, outdated stuff with a bit of a fancy makeup, I wouldn't even call it a software-slut, as it's below that level.

Why ? because it's an attempt to 'correct' it's predecessor with even more mess
choose 3 universities you consider competent, give each a $300 million budget and a 3 years schedule - and you will end with 3 entirely new operating systems, which really will perform

cheers, Tom
sorry for the rant but stupidity (not you, but the M$$$ campaign) sometimes p*sses me off - can this B.G.III not just shut up, retire and count his cash - and leave technology to people who love it and are experienced ?

vista is no step forward. there will be vista drivers. the reason there are no new xp drivers if because there's no need! the xp drivers work!

there is NO advantage to being on vista right now, NONE. do you want a sequencer/recoder/music making machine, or just a fancy computer?

garyb wrote: there is NO advantage to being on vista right now, NONE. do you want a sequencer/recoder/music making machine, or just a fancy computer?

Holy words, mate!
Switching now to Vista from XP is like going under surgical operation when you are healthy...

garyb wrote:vista is no step forward. there will be vista drivers. the reason there are no new xp drivers if because there's no need! the xp drivers work!

there is NO advantage to being on vista right now, NONE. do you want a sequencer/recoder/music making machine, or just a fancy computer?

Hi,

I would beg to differ in your opinion, there is so much new technology involved in Vista, mainly security and many second level optimizations that a lot of computer users would never notice. But a lot of people just shrug at it as a resource hungry OS with a fancy desktop. True it requires a lot more than XP but XP required a lot more than 98. Technology moves on, otherwise I would still be using my Pentium 2 with windows 98 since pulsar works with that, but like I rose in my post. I for one like to have cutting edge software my computer is not solely for music, Like me, probably many users here only have 1 machine and want to play games on it too and currently vista is the only DX 10 capable OS, true there isn’t any games but there will be, will there be a Vista driver for the pulsar?. Any hardware bought today cheaply or in the past 3 years or so can withstand Vista ultimate quite fine.

I do realise there was no XP specific drivers because the windows 2000 worked perfectly, but maybe they could of have given a tiny thought for people that might want to have a 64bit driver, but knowingly to no advantage with the pulsar but nevertheless an option for the end user. But I still remember having some small problem back then, although to be honest it could of have been the Scope software or current technology from back then.

erminardi wrote: Holy words, mate!
Switching now to Vista from XP is like going under surgical operation when you are healthy...

Hi,

How are you defining that statement? If you refer to solely in terms of the Pulsar then I would agree. If you said it referring to XP Vs Vista for features or real world application like the internet then I would like to know specifically how changing to Vista would do more harm than good. Keeping in terms with your analogy I would say Vista is a vaccinated version of XP ready to deal with new or old threats in letting loose your computer on the net.

mate...
theres no bennefit in vista for now.
wait till there are drivers and bugfixes, let the pro's explore this new territory for music apps before you even think bout upgrading.

i dont need all the security and what so ever cause my music production daw is only ment for that purpose....no internet on it even.

be patiened, it will come

cheers
DSP ADD!CT

DSP ADD!CT wrote:mate...
theres no bennefit in vista for now.
wait till there are drivers and bugfixes, let the pro's explore this new territory for music apps before you even think bout upgrading.

i dont need all the security and what so ever cause my music production daw is only ment for that purpose....no internet on it even.

be patiened, it will come

cheers
DSP ADD!CT

Hi,

I know what you getting at, I agree with you in why bother with Vista if the computer is solely for music production and XP is 100% compatible. But you have to consider that each person has his own individual needs. Not everyone is a dedicated musician that makes money from his setup; a lot of us are amateur enthusiasts that like to play with such aspects of synth technology. Accusing that vista is a useless piece of software without going deep into its new technology is a bit presumptuous.

Like you mentioned, your computer is not connected to the internet, but if it is Vista with its new security foundation is already thwarting all the attacks that XP suffers with a moderately protected PC with an average user. So by saying there is no point on upgrading to Vista, please rethink on specifically what aspect there is no point on getting Vista. If by that you mean solely for the single driver from Creamware, well let my security infrastructure suffer in the hands of Creamware.

dont get me wrong here.
i would like to run vista but its of no use for now cause alot isnt compatible yet.
my point is to wait for a few months till everything is tested and all the drivers are here.
i hope for you creamware will come up with vista drivers but dont count on it to happen fast.
so what is more important for you now...creamware that runs flawless or vista?
a option for you would be to pickup a P4 system for cheap and run creamware with xp on there.

cheers

DSP ADD!CT

I simply cannot understand people like djsainz

I guess you should do yourself a favour and make life easy by purchasing an SB Live Audigy. You can be sure that Creative Labs will be the first out of the blocks with Vista drivers

I really had to visit the Vista pages to verify I didn't overlook something crucial...

those so-called security issues are all homemade - any flavour of an M$ OS suffered from tons of flaws (the more you look, the more you'll find). The (so-called) operating system is an endless mess of a patchwork.
Do you really know what those executable files in your system directory are for, in which sequence and under which circumstances they may be called - and how much stuff is executed behind your back without informing you... ?

take an item as simple as an autostart entry:
at how many locxations and under how many registry entries could it be filed ?

And now this company praises itself for sorting out a few items they carefully messed up themselves ??? LMAO
Since they didn't change the basic concepts you can bet that even more issues will turn up when this thing is going to be used.


Most of what's advertized on the Vista pages regarding network security is far from being OS related...
...and is available as an add-on for other (browser)applications anyway.
Secure internet access for children ? What a bs - you either accept that they will be confronted with some not so romantic aspects of life (and handle it together with them...), or you keep your kids away from a networked computer. That simple.
And once the kiddies get even the slightest suspect they might be 'cheated', they will find a way...

Vista's search function is a copy of Apple's spotlight, as 'Gadgets' is a copy of 'widgets'.
Both are nothing revolutionary and highly questionable in their effectiveness - even the original Apple versions.
Before this supa service is instantiated the drive must be indexed... which does not happen out of the blue or within the blink of an eye...

but I can tell you how Apple's version 'works'...
They've been so smart in their infinite wisdom to ease the transfer of 'your old data' to a new Mac by simply connecting the 'previous machine' with a Firewire cable.
So far, so good, it's easy - hold the proper button and your old trusty ex-disk shows up on the desktop of the new machine, ready to be copied... ready ???
LOL - Spotlight will first try to index all your 0.5 million files - and lock the machine for an hour or so...
I've never been able to (reliably) interupt the process or to tell the bloody program it should get off the FireWire port or anything that's mounted there. The function might exist deeply burried in the ix-ish core...

I may add that our picture archive server sends gigabytes of tif files over the network just to create those crappy icons (which noone needs as perfect thumbnails exist anyway) for the desktop file of any remote machine that's mounting it - at least that's my impression. Again I may be able to configure that if I read long enough.

For that same picture server a few (old, mac-syntax, illegal chars) files wouldn't copy, so I used Spotlight's ingeneous full text retrieval to sort out the suspects beforehand. Do I really have to mention the ton of false results because the f*cking char was looked up anywhere in the file ? Yes, again you can configure it manually...
Of course a few 'false' candidates slipped through, and whaddaya think ? It fails after 17k files outof 53k even though it had done a full pre-check, leaving no information about what has been copied, what failed and what's on schedule still.
Yes of course, here we go again - I could write a shell script for exactly that task...

WTF is this GUI thingy for, if I have to return to DOSmania and the commandline anyway ? THAT is a true Denial_Of_Service.
Apple did a marvellous job in hiding the unix part of MacOSX, but they simply loop back 25 years ignoring their own achievements in user-friendly interface design.
No question, if I'd spent those years shell-scripting, you'd have to call me a whizz for sure today

but please don't come and tell me that M$Soft did all of the afforementioned in a smarter way
those features all read great in keynotes (from people used to delegate those dirty tasks)... I've taken some Apple examples, but I really don't think it's much different under Vista

nevertheless there is one serious reason for Vista, and it's called dotNetThree, supposed to replace the Win32 call api
if all your favourite apps work perfectly under x86-unix (with the help of WINE or Crossover), why should you run an 'unsafe' environment like Windows anyway ?
Not to forget virtualization that may re-vitalize old server systems on new hardware.
And that makes Vista nothing but a lame attempt to secure a monopoly - and get a bit of the home entertainment cake so neatly i-ced by Apple's i-featuritis

cheers, Tom

Hey Tom,
I love Vista and Apple Sucks <ducking>

Seriously, Apple is no better than MS, just a lesser user base ( and therefore less obvious revealed flaws) and a cooler marketing dept. They both only had a hand full of truly original ideas and then wrapped the rest up in marketing hype and called them their own. Steve Jobs is certainly no better the Uncle Bill IMO.

Apple seems to be getting on the virii train quite nicely as well as their popularity gains.

Don't even get be started on them charging to fix the bugs and flaws in their OS in point releases.

Like it or hate it, Vista and OSX is here for the long term. CW ( and garyb if I remember correctly) said they were going to have OSX drivers. vapor.
They are saying the same thing about Vista. To date it is vapor.
I am thinking we will be on XP and OS9 for the long haul.

BTW, that suits me just fine. I consider both Vista and OSX to be bloatware.

CH

darkrezin wrote:I simply cannot understand people like djsainz

I guess you should do yourself a favour and make life easy by purchasing an SB Live Audigy. You can be sure that Creative Labs will be the first out of the blocks with Vista drivers

You may not understand me but thats ok, you dont know me and my background. As long as you did not mean it in a sinister way, you are fine to question my motives. I own a X-fi besides the creamware, for ovbious reasons, and if you go to their forums there is a big disgust as there are no formal drivers just beta for Vista, so they are not the first, as motherboards with on board sound have certified vista drivers.

craighuddy wrote:... Steve Jobs is certainly no better the Uncle Bill IMO.

Apple seems to be getting on the virii train quite nicely as well as their popularity gains. ....

the dudes nicely complement each other, though I doubt it matters much after one's income crosses the 2-figure-million border...
but S.J. looked a lot better in those videos from the 80s now on YouTube

on your 2nd point I have to disagree - the original MacOS had to do all it's tricks in a tiny memory space of (say) 128 KiloBytes - yes, OS, application, data...
it really worked, even with M$ Word (version1.x) I could edit a 50 page document in 20 kbytes of ram, of course that wasn't exactly flying - but workable.
You can imagine what kind of memory management is required to successfully get along with such a task, and the respective section of the original development documentation is still worth a look...
The rigid purge and allocation of memory blocks made it effectively impossible for a self-referencing routine to even survive a millisecond.
Otherwise (so the memory manager wouldn't shovel it around) it would have to take a form that makes it quickly identifyable and rermovable - there have been one or 2 attempts in this direction in the 80s.
The rest of the Mac malware was... you guessed it... M$ Office macro bs

btw, I ran a dozen Macs with a internet connection without a firewall and a virus checker for 6 years or so... and one of my applications used an Oracle database driver released in 1988 under MacOS6 which ran on ALL versions of the MacOS until it finally surrendered to Tiger... unmodified, out of the box, everyday office use.
Do I have to mention that the Windows version of the very same driver didn't even make it for much more than a couple of years

cheers, Tom

I run Vista with Nuendo 3 and on-board audio ASIO (no Vista driver for Scope to play ASIO now). I installed Drums VSTi from DFH, Piano from The Grand 2 and also tons of VST effects. I can feel the speed of loading very large VSTi (drums, piano). It seems faster and faster everyday I used Vista. You can NOT compare the speed with Windows XP which seems very slow right away.

I don't care much about security things in Vista cuz I don't feel anything wrong. But it annoy a bit with User Account Control at first. But when I turn it off, I love this Vista.

Also, when I search file in all my hard drive in Vista, it's flying fast. I just do one time indexing all my hard drives. What you search, you find things right away in seconds...

Startup windows seems instantly, loading programs is flying fast.

I have no reason else, except no support for Scope, to not upgrade to Vista.. If you feel MS$ will dig in to your computer, just turn off your internet connection.

It's flying OS.

Imo Vista is rather a memory hog, using at least double what your typical Xp install would use. And personally I wait at least until Sp1 (and a generally a freshly built machine) before I step up to a new OS. Which would make it really easy for someone to keep the old Xp Scope box running alongside a spanking new 4 core 64bit 8Gb Ram rompler weilding DAW monster.

I've had XP running on this PIII on a 64mb stick of PC100. Lets see you do that with asta la vista