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I have enjoyed the stability of my Raptors.

Gigastudio continuosly thrashes them, and each size of the Raptors are seriosly a live gigs blessing.

I saw these SSD's years ago when the prices were just ridiculous.

Apps that stream audio, after having it's footprint ( trigger ) in RAM. Could use really low priced, slower, preferably stable RAM, and these SSD's could scream, and have no mechanical parts.

On a major touring rig one could use an audio switcher using the mechanical Raptors as the spare, and scream like a madman on the primary DAW.

I would really like to see these sized drives sold as instruments. Where one could load his sounds and samples like a hot spare, only needing the standard memory configs. Instead of having everything loaded for rapid recall, one could load these and have the most used running at all times, and slapping these puppies in here and there.

Wishful thinking.


These SSD's sure are making my Raptors lick their lips.

i think astroman might have a bit to say about those things....

stardust wrote:SSD are by far too expensive still.

my words... they're not a sore dick deal, as jimmy would call it

well, not much to contribute from my side, except one interesting observation:
I have a couple of plugs that connect a compact flash card to the ATA disk connector on the motherboard.
When I tried them the first time, I noticed the BIOS registered the device as 'polling mode' thus dragging down the disk bus completely.
Recently I bought a few fast CF cards and what did I see ?
suddenly it's DMA mode
so not all CF internals are created equal (obvious, but one has to consider it...)

the use for Giga is most certainly not an advantage at all - the disk motion is for sure not the bottleneck when streaming samples, it's the amount of data that has to pass the controller's bus.
If the destination is a flash or a magnetic thingy doesn't matter

cheers, Tom

Exactamente Astro,

No bottleneck, just a serious extension to the life cycle w/ no moving parts.

They have a 5 year warranty also.

Seems as though they are gunning for the Raptors.

I like the way they smoke the Raptors though. Imagine no more RAID cages and noisy ass HDD''s,.......It will be exciting when they drop 30% more in late spring.

kylie wrote:

stardust wrote:SSD are by far too expensive still.

my words... they're not a sore dick deal, as jimmy would call it

Lol

Well This Dog Hunts.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6820609304

My jerk off tech buddy always gets the extreme toys to buy with his larger than life budget.

Since streaming samplers don't require the .01 msec access times, and O.S.'s don't take advantage of these newbies, the big advantage is no noise, heat, or mechanical moving parts.

But the prices have dropped significantly, and if you are a gamer, you are in " Hog Heaven ".

I witnessed first hand the incredibly snappy fast performance, boot up time, and silence of this beauty.

I will get to test it out when his second 120GB SSD arrives next week.

He doesn't have K3 or GS4, but still has Gigastudio 3 Orchestra, and I am sure the way that the apps uses it's streaming form the HDD is the same for GS4.

So I finally will get a chance to see if polyphony is increased, or if there are any benefits by using these for sampler apps.

Since RAM has an access of nano seconds, and SSD's have access's of .01 msec there must surely be some benefit. But I will get a first hand look instead of reading someone else's " Review ".

But at least these reviewers were correct about the dropping of prices.

Manufacturers now number in the dozens, not just a couple, and 120 GB's of SSD is only 600, compared to 32GB's for 3000 !!

I will be buying one for my O.S. + apps HDD no matter what this on hands trial shows.

Putting all of my HDD's in an eSATA 1U external storage rack has removed the biggest heat and noise factor, which left the O.S. + Apps HDD.................I am afraid it will history very soon. My DAW will be extremely quiet as I will install the most quiet maglev's for case fans and PSU / CPU's that I can find.

But that is the main advantage that I see for me at this point.

I have had the noisiest Scope DAW on the forum for the past 3 years, w/ Raptors x 4, and tons of fans.

I wish to have the most quiet, and hopefully by summer's end.

This will be my choice, and it will surely drop it's price down by summer's end.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6820609302

The whole idea is a bit silly. take memory translate its bus to a disk interface, then translate it to PCIe and then the interconnect between the south and north bridge back to memory and/or CPU bus.

even if the memory becomes super fast, it still get sent through the slow SATA interface

they should make a new fast "SSD" interface for it. one day fast enough that it needs a 16 lane PCIe slot connected to the north bridge like the video card.

new faster non volatile memory is in the works as well.

and stop calling it a disk. there is no disk! call it storage. SSS !

i forsee a lot of rapidly obsoleting "tries" before there is a good standard.

Hi Jimmy,

I don't think that using an SSD as OS Drive is a good idea because of the lengthy write time associated with flash technology. Moreover, the reliability figure is about 100000 write per cell which will be hit quite soon if there is the swapping area.

I would see this device as a write once, read often disk, so better adapted to a sample storage usage.

cheers

Michel

I will give it a try Sunday and see what all of the hype is about.

It reminds me of when Dual CPU mobo's like the Tyan Tiger w/ 2 x AMD CPU's really didn't show but a small percentage of increased power, but everyone surely noticed how snappy the screen refreshes and overall smooth experience w/ maybe 8 to 12 % increase of power.


I would love to use a cheaper small one for O.S.+ Apps for the quietness and low heat factor.

We shall see.

Well here ya' go,

Using the SSD ( Drive ) as an O.S. + Apps. solution is the ticket as it is noiseless, and has no heat, but warm to the touch...............BFD !!

As a streaming app. storage option, there are no benefits. The applications way of having the RAM ( nanoseconds ) retain a 64k buffer for the sample, which then streams the remaining memory from the HDD, is optimised for that use. If Tascam wanted to re-do their application for bypassing the RAM buffer and going directly to the flash drive ( SSD ), there could be benefits to the polyphony. But we already are having 640 + voices from 10k Raptors.

Our Conclusion:

Silencing the DAW w/ a 64GB SSD for Apps. + O.S. is a perfect way of reducing power, heat, and noise.

But to be practical, one must remove the remaining HDD's to an eSATA 1U rack, preferrably w/ no RAID or JBOD. This would allow the ability to use other components w/ low noise mag-lev fans, for a truly silent, cool, low power DAW.

In a few years SSD's should be mainstream, but they will still be dependant on the application software.


Can You Tell I Was Qouting My Buddy?

He does know his DAWg's, and really has his Mac video chops together.

Hasta Luego Putos.

Well, will see on the long run !

yeah, i think MD69's right.
the lifespan of an SSD is pretty short for a "c:"/system disk....

not all flash mem is created equal ...
I've had a SanDisk 1GB for a while, which performed remarkably well.
But that was a stripped down Win98 and I allowed it only a fixed 64MB or so swap thingy just to make it shut up
At least I never ran into trouble due to swapping - but then... no Office or IE I-dunno-what either...

cheers, Tom

Good deal either way.

A 5 year warranty on certain models.

I am quite sure they know people will be using these for streaming and system discs.

The sheer amount of apps my friend uses will be a good test no doubt.

We have our own Guinnea Pig.

Besides I won't upgrade for a while. My P35 combo works flawlessley and the whole 64bit thing is still not inevitable.

Hell I don't even know if XITE-1 will be out this summer. $^&*(^

Just Kiddin'.

I will run XITE-1 w/ the P35 until I feel an upgrade is vital.

The DP35DP has room for 8GB's of RAM, eSATA connectors, PCI-e and everything I will need to keep working.

Once XITE-1 grosses a few large, I can look forward to the results of the SSD, 64bit, etc.

I am not a very good Guinnes Pig !

a "Guinea Pig" is a rodent with a very sweet disposition that makes it perfect for certain kinds of scientific experiments. hence, someone who is experimented upon is often called a "Guinea Pig".

I think Versuchskarnickel is an adequate translation, stardust

stardust wrote:Thanks garry.

you're welcome. here's a more appropro pic.

yes, since the term Laborratte has some bad touch about it...

stardust wrote:And karnickel is cuddly as well.

absolutely