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Jarvis · Post by **Jarvis** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 8:03 pm

ok just read the last post about having to pay for drivers. Im going to throw one into the pot we must pay for these upgrades i dont like it but i know thats its a nessacery evil(sorry not much of a speller) we are at war with the likes of Pro Fools(the evil empire) and uad users(sorry dont have a name for them yet) it is every multinational conglomerates intention to have a monoply on the market and to destroy the competition thats the nature of of the human beast and the nature of a free market. So what does that mean as creamware users and now sonik core users, we must trumpet this system far and wide if we have any commercial succsess then we thank sonik core. and yes that means we have to pay for our drivers. Don't forget Pro fools has abandoned 001 users and the mix card 1 systems were as we are still able to use our 5 year old cards and more(i'm guessing pulsar one cards are still supported) Viva La Revolution.

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Jarvis
Pro Fools Never Sonikcore forever
ps to all those fuddy duddys who have been complaining about where i put my posts just getting a grip on this forum thingy so a big wet willie to you. Hee Hee
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Post by **garyb** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:08 am

can't argue....

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:56 am

BTW Jarvis, if you didn't pick up on my NI joke in your last thread, it's actually Sonic Core

, not Sonik Core.

Yes they need a 'one shot' income on Scope 5 i think - i mean me buying the occasional Dynatube and others buying a second hand board with loads of plugs aren't exactly inputting huge funds into S|C's pocket. Of course there are those that i'm sure would be happier to see Scope 5 for free and watch as S|C dies.

As much as i appreciate the offer, you can keep your big wet willy for yourself.

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 3:52 am

even more as the declaration of a virtual war towards Digidesign 10 years ago probably was the worst business decision in Creamware's history ever

(ok, afterwards one always knows better...)

Jarvis wrote:...but i know thats its a nessacery evil(sorry not much of a speller) we are at war with the likes of Pro Fools(the evil empire) ...

cheers, Tom

moxi · Post by **moxi** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 6:00 am

hum..

I'm thinking that SC should go to something else now, Giving us new driver for vista for free would be a too nice gift for sure, but charging us for update is stupid.
SC boards are now 10 years old, so it's normal in fact that we don't have to expect anything for that.

who will spend 1200E in a 15dsp board this day, for the same price now you can get an SSL Duende, with dsp, 32 channel mixing and SSL comp/gate and EQ on each channel?

you compare SC and Pro tools, but one is mainly for consumers (even if SC gear is trully high level about sound quality), the other is for professionnal , or one is "high end" the other is "pro" (the difference is not only about sound, but even about stability and security, support, migration and compatibilty of project with other pro studio... - none pro can deal many hours with phase issue, hidden latencies compensation or crappy preset handling, so called "pci overflow ) and other fake behaviour as for Optimaster, clearly unsuitable as soon as you try to deal with acoustic recording- and I've bought this one "full price" when it get out, finally I get better result with my DBX 160a and 166xl, that is cheaper!, even if they'are not multiband!).
Try to ask SC to come at your pro studio to solve some unnatended issue...you can do that if you've have bought a Pro tools pro system.

*****edit: maybe a tutorial could be better******

secondly, I don't think it have been new bench of boards this last years, but SC still sell "brand new" gear...

*****edit: I mean it's not my business anyway, but the degree of softwarness really amazes me from time to time **************

but please stop to be stupid, and stop to consider them as poor guys that do what they can, if business is business, so business is business.

at last, I hope they will make the SFP 5 update a "must to have", so I will pay, mainly cause I like the fact that they have build gear you're not obliged to throw away two years later, and this "buy buy buy" audio market suck too much for me...
from two issue, choose the least...

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 6:35 am

i really mustn't say anything (holds breath, counts to ten)...

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 6:44 am

Oh, OK couldn't resist

moxi wrote: Giving us new driver for vista for free would be a too nice gift for sure, but charging us for update is stupid.
SC boards are now 10 years old, so it's normal in fact that we don't have to expect anything for that.

Yes, the well known international law of if a product is 10 years old you get any maintenance of it for free. Look at most gear 10 years old and it won't even be supported any more. Again no-one is forcing you to buy Scope 5 - is this such a difficult point to grasp?

So to the cheery moxi i would say this: there are two ways our Scope could have gone:
1. Creamware went bust - no-one bought the technology, our cards are unsupported
2. Someone buys the technology and wants to make a little money from it (the numbers are not huge) and the card is supported into the future.

For your purposes imagine number 1 has happened, delete your SonicCore bookmark in your web browser and then you need never buy anything for Scope again because S|C never existed. Poof! It's magic.

next to nothing · Post by **next to nothing** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 7:57 am

"but unfortunatly, we knew this card for the unbelievable reason that we are the one that sell it one year before thru internet, as second hand gear... "

i hope you dont use a mac.

http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id ... 283&size=l

... and yet this is the "professional" choice for pro musicians - its not a uniqe policy.

Post by **garyb** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:02 am

moxi, with all respect, that's asinine and untrue.

moxi · Post by **moxi** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:02 am

Yes, the well known international law of if a product is 10 years old you get any maintenance of it for free. Look at most gear 10 years old and it won't even be supported any more. Again no-one is forcing you to buy Scope 5 - is this such a difficult point to grasp?

I think you don't read carefully my post...

I've said that SC should go directly to something else, that would be better.
It's 10 yaer old gear, but from my side I've bought the first card just 3 year ago, thinking that a pro company will assume support as well as they still sell theyre boards at a high "pro" price...
It's mainly to prevent new customer to enter a game that no one finally can tell how it will end...

It's to motivate SC team to do better things than former creamware team.

let imagine the disapointment of a new customer that will buy a 15dsp board for the same price as the new technology that concurent sell...and if this board is running with a software that have been fakely updated...

I'm in my right to doubt about the reality of the sfp 5 update, as I've been one time f... by former creamware.

but I have to recognize that it's stupid to talk about that before the software was out , it's why I have ask somewhere SC to communicate better about what they're planning to do, I've spend enough money in this gear to claim the right to avoid playing the stupid "you will see-you will see game".
The end of year is here the time you have to close your investisment, and from my side I've report to do about how bucks are spend - I've fighted some time ago to bought creamware stuff (instead of a protools LE system) to avoid crappy consumer problems, thinking creamware was really a pro company...nothing to see with the gear itself...

On the other hand you're right, the boards are still well running, and I'm happy to be sure that we will still use them during many year.

I quote myself:

at last, I hope they will make the SFP 5 update a "must to have", so I will pay, mainly cause I like the fact that they have build gear you're not obliged to throw away two years later, and this "buy buy buy" audio market suck too much for me...

Giving us new driver for vista for free would be a too nice gift for sure, but charging us for update is stupid.
SC boards are now 10 years old, so it's normal in fact that we don't have to expect anything for that.

Yes, the well known international law of if a product is 10 years old you get any maintenance of it for free. Look at most gear 10 years old and it won't even be supported any more. Again no-one is forcing you to buy Scope 5 - is this such a difficult point to grasp?

it's probably a misunderstanding here, it look like your understand my sentence in the opposite meaning..

I'm sure that if so much business mens sucks, it's cause consumers like that...it's probably why we get here now a so stupid president...

moxi · Post by **moxi** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:11 am

bad..I'm becoming some kind of throller...it's time to go back playing on some quiet chords..

hopefully, reality is free..

okantah · Post by **okantah** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:20 am

not sure it's so well to say that, maybe some newbs will buy SC card thinking they will get a crack...)

moxi try to solve your problems with S/C.Here on this planet we will not understand your anger and agression with S/C,
only say we are in love one thing here.

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:54 am

moxi wrote:...
I think you don't read carefully my post...
I've said that SC should go directly to something else, that would be better...
...
It's to motivate SC team to do better things than former creamware team...

they are determined to do exactly that, and they confirmed it in Frankfurt last year...
but as us all they have to obey to budgets and schedules - no such thing as a free dinner anymore.
Conditions and competition is tough for any company of that size.
Today you'd rather finance the next big internet hype than solid work...

on one hand you are correct: a part of the Scope technology is indeed 'old'
but then... why worry at all ?
A Scope card is defined entirely by software - it can never outdate.
This software is still (after all those years) superior to at least 90% of the gear that sells in a similiar price range.
SC does work on the code base in the Solaris project
there is no need for new hardware as long as the codebase isn't finished
the Solaris (I have the software 'blueprint') is such a powerful sound-engine that I have difficult to find any aspect of processing at all that isn't covered by it.

this is my private opinion and not related to any talk with the persons in charge but a working Solaris represents 80% of a new Scope hardware, including more sophisticated controls for the GUI - there is a lot to be learned and 'prototyped' by this project

I'm in my right to doubt about the reality of the sfp 5 update, as I've been one time f... by former creamware...

of course you have the right to comment SC's business moves in any reasonable way - as you noticed yourself, the software isn't even out yet - and final conditions probably haven't been set either.

cheers and thanks for making your post more friendly, Tom

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:42 am

moxi wrote:
Giving us new driver for vista for free would be a too nice gift for sure, but charging us for update is stupid.
SC boards are now 10 years old, so it's normal in fact that we don't have to expect anything for that.

Yes, the well known international law of if a product is 10 years old you get any maintenance of it for free. Look at most gear 10 years old and it won't even be supported any more. Again no-one is forcing you to buy Scope 5 - is this such a difficult point to grasp?
it's probably a misunderstanding here, it look like your understand my sentence in the opposite meaning..

Sorry i misunderstood the sentence - i read it as "we don't have to expect [to pay] anything for that" as opposed to "we don't [...] expect anything for that".

We are saying the same thing for once moxi

Post by **hubird** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:04 pm

moxi wrote: it look like your understand my sentence in the opposite meaning..

not to intervene, but yes, that's what was happening probably (partly), with me also first.
bad luck

and oops Mr Arkadin (and Tom) already made also a post about it.

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