Will there ever be anything new?

[Chilliman]

Just wondering if there'll ever be any new products or software from S|C.
As much as I love the system, it would be a hard sell at over 4k for a unit that hasn't had anything new added for a long time, has very dated GUIs for most things, has no big brand software manufacturers doing anything for it.
Is there any future or direction at sonic core?
I'd hate to see it vanish.

[Sextant]

What I see is the slow death of this platform and that makes me sad...
(but I hope I'm wrong)

[astroman]

It‘s not dead - it just smells funny
Honestly, I‘m very happy about the platform to exist even in it‘s current state.
It‘s a classic workhorse and does a couple of things best, maybe not totally flawless in each and every domain, but it feels so „natural“.

I recently checked a lot of eurorack stuff on YT, some was great, but a hell of expensive.
The majority on the other hand wasn‘t too exiting except for the „one dial per parameter“ thing.
I could imagine some exchange with Scope Modular, though.
(in the sense of using CV instead of midi, as a rough guess)

[Sextant]

Eurorack/scope integration is great, and could probably being more optimized. I think this platform could be of greater interest to eurorack users, particularly scope modular that can communicate with the outside world in CV. Scope modular is very different from the native modular platforms, lower level than VCV, but simpler than max/msp. As far as I'm concerned, this is one of Scope's strong points for Eurorack, along with the mix capabilities.

[Sextant]

Eurorack/scope integration is great, and could probably being more optimized. I think this platform could be of greater interest to eurorack users, particularly scope modular that can communicate with the outside world in CV. Scope modular is very different from the native modular platforms, lower level than VCV, but more user friendly than max/msp. As far as I'm concerned, this is one of Scope's strong points for Eurorack, along with the mix capabilities.

[the19thbear]

The past 5 years I have talked to SC and both times they said they had something new coming within a year or two. Nothing has come of it. So Im very sceptical about anything new coming out.
I hope they make it in the long run and really wish the best for them though.

[valis]

Note we might be about to resurrect bug lists and Scope 8 threads, more on this soon.

[Bud Weiser]

Note we might be about to resurrect bug lists and Scope 8 threads, more on this soon.

Well, we all know what "soon" means here ...

Bud

[fra77x2]

There are users that feel anxious when they use a product from " a not so big brand". Because they use products that other people use and are guided by the hype. So after a while they start these marketing campaigns for scope, they are worried about scope future etc. This had happened numerous times during the years. They are the same type of users. Even the day the scope was introduced to the market someone asked for an update and complained for some reason. Its natural and human like behaviour.

They have a huge collection of daunting- for the market- unworkable products that look good to the eye, stuff they never complain about but when they come to their "small brand" product something that has real value they become great sadists, they want to change anything demand constant updates for no reason etc.

[Liquid EDGE]

No need to reinvent the wheel or pointlessly bring new stuff.

Spacef has been regularly bringing new stuff to the platform.

https://spacef-devices.com/

[Liquid EDGE]

Note we might be about to resurrect bug lists and Scope 8 threads, more on this soon.

Cool

[valis]

Note we might be about to resurrect bug lists and Scope 8 threads, more on this soon.

Well, we all know what "soon" means here ...

Bud

Yea for me it means having a day on the weekend to digest everything enough to make a cogent post and outline a process. Right now current feedback is spread over multiple forums and threads.

The driver's stability is job #1 and we will need PCI & Xite configurations, crash dumps (probably just mini or the error itself on BSOD), host software and etc etc. But more on this later.

[cortone]

Is V8 in the wild, as a beta or otherwise?

I don't recall hearing any responses from the XITE1+V8 sale a couple of years ago.

[Chilliman]

I'm not bashing, I'm just fully aware that without new customers, a company ceases to exist.
I'll use mine until it lets the white smoke out.
I'd always hoped there might be a resurrection and more products.

[valis]

A resurrection would be a properly functioning 64bit driver, and then any v7 bugfixes to appear in v8.

I have 2 Scope systems, and while I could live with only 1 my studio's workflow would be drastically different with none. It's obvious in the modern software ecosystem that a constantly moving bar is the norm for consumer and bedroom producer products. If an iPad will suffice, why use anything more?

[Bud Weiser]

A resurrection would be a properly functioning 64bit driver, and then any v7 bugfixes to appear in v8.

^^^^^
THIS !



Bud

[Chilliman]

There are users that feel anxious when they use a product from " a not so big brand". Because they use products that other people use and are guided by the hype. So after a while they start these marketing campaigns for scope, they are worried about scope future etc. This had happened numerous times during the years. They are the same type of users. Even the day the scope was introduced to the market someone asked for an update and complained for some reason. Its natural and human like behaviour.

They have a huge collection of daunting- for the market- unworkable products that look good to the eye, stuff they never complain about but when they come to their "small brand" product something that has real value they become great sadists, they want to change anything demand constant updates for no reason etc.

There's tools like the Weiss stuff, that is itself based on sharc DSPs. They have Sims on softube's platform
Softube has guitar Sims (which I own) on scope.
But it feels like abandonware at the moment.
There was an xcite for sale at £2855, with import vat about 3300.
I had a think, and decided to stick with my old 25dsp system in an old pc. I would gain virtually nothing and lose functionality. (Samplers).
I feel like it could be doing a lot more. Like it should be doing a lot more.
I guess scope the secret weapon, is just a little too secret.

[fra77x2]

I am a scope sdk user so what I write is about me working with xite and the scope sdk.

There is totally different experience between PCI and Xite mainly that each dsp on the PCI cards is "old" i.e. fewer cycles vs xite 6 "old" plus 11 new dsps i.e. more cycles for DSP.

What does this mean for me? That in the PCI boards I can fill one dsp with around 800 cycles ( The number is a guess i don't remember) and then communication "happens" with other DSPs. This means more sat problems and more phase problems. 25 dsps i would like to see your waveforms in an editor...

In the xite there are 6500 cycles per dsp. 11 dsps that let me load whatever from normal synthesis/ production that is computed uninterrupted whatever happens in the world. If people know dsps they are not really made for samplers because they offer not much dsp memory. DSPs are used... well for signals. Create your audio in your CPU that can access whatever RAM is there, send it to the analog world and record it back with your fantastic dsp system. Apply dsp effects with zero latency. end of story.

There is no similar product out there. It was actually an accomplishement when made. If you like to help scope buy scope and produce good output with scope so your friends may consider to get it. You can also help 3rd party devs of scope by buying their products.

I am not here to defend scope ore whatever. perhaps a product so versatile may leave a lot of users dissapointed. If someone buys the xite so to use john bowens solaris ( i write this because of some comments i have read here i haven't tested) and the wave oscillators he is skrewed. Perhaps SC should change the intented target group for xite. Perhaps it should curate its devices library.

For me i bought scope for the modular, and i use it like a sound designer producer but also as a developer. It does its job. I use a modest setup ( just xite and analog and my devices) for my kind of work and I adapt to its quirks.

[Sextant]

We are here because we are all convinced of the added value of this platform compared to others. It's in our interest that the platform should continue and develop. And here we have reason to be concerned. A product for which there is no longer a commercial policy, whose bugs are not corrected, which remains for several years on a sort of improved beta version, for which several functions are deactivated, where the developers have disappeared, where the user manuals are not up to date or are missing, where support is lacking, and which is one of the most expensive on the market, etc. is a product for which we can wonder whether it has a future.
In my case, for example, I really want to switch to sdk. But under these conditions, I'm not sure that the €300 licence fee and the weeks of training are worth it.
But yes, maybe we're not the ‘right’ consumers, maybe we haven't understood what Scope really is, maybe we are only guided bye "hype", and maybe this platform deserves better than us. That's one point of view. But even with that point of view, there's reason to be concerned about the future of this product, which doesn't have the users it deserves without looking for new ones....

[the19thbear]

Amen Sextant.

I wish that SC simply made a pcie version of their cards. They didnt even have to update the dsp.
The price tag for an xite is WAY to high for most people (let alone newecomers) to consider getting one.
I wish there was a lower tier product.
And on top of that, it is a 100% given that the software should have proper support (which it doesnt currently).

If I get some technical stuff to work, I might be starting to use scope again.
But I know that it seems to be a dying product. I don't want it to die at all, but I can't call it a "living" and supported product.
I hope scope 8 will turn things around, but there seem to have been little updates (other than drivers and OS compatibility) since scope 4.5.

It's a chicken and egg sitation where SC needs money to get things going, but they could get things going by having a cheaper product.

So I say: Make a much cheaper pci/USB/thunderbolt solution that has a fraction of XItes DSP.
This will gain new users. New users will mean new money and more people with the SDK etc. I hope this could get the ball rolling.
It's an excellent product, but I'm very uncertain about it's future.